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JustJenn Senior Member Posts: 1276 |
posted March 29, 2002 03:40 AM
  
Okay guys, I have a subject of controversy, which I would like to bring up for everyone’s opinions. This all comes from my friend and I having an actual argument tonight (which is a huge step for me, because all though you all might know me as being very into debating things, in person I do not generally go it). Okay so what we were arguing is the concept of genetic testing prior to birth, if you knew the child you were carrying (or your partner was carrying) would be born with a serious mental or physical defect, do you feel you should have the right to abort the pregnancy? I am not talking the child not having blonde hair and blue eyes or a mild learning disability, I mean if you knew your child would face a life of pain, that would be cut short because of this defect would you still chose to continue with the pregnancy? Is there a line in which genetic testing, for health purposes, should not cross? We disagreed because I personally believe that a parent should have the right to make the choice, that if a person knew the child was carrying would be born with a defect it should be up to that person or couple to make the decision. Basically I felt that no one should be forced into more than what they feel they care capable to handle, she feels (although she is pro-choice) that you should have to deal with that in which you are dealt, and at the very least put the child into an institution if you can not handle it (which I think is cruel). Although I do not want children, I know that should I ever decide to have a child I know I would not be able to properly care for a child with a serious ailment; it is her belief that I or anyone who thinks in that way should not be permitted to have children at all. Anyway I thought I would just open this subject to some other peoples opinions. IP: Logged |
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Storybug18 Senior Member Posts: 319 |
posted March 29, 2002 06:38 PM
I am in complete agreement with you Jenn. Personally, if I knew that my child would be born with a horrible disease or disability that would cause them pain and suffering, I would like to prevent that from happening. I would never want to see a child live in pain on a daily basis. It would not be fair to the child. It would be hell on the parent as well, having to watch their child go through something so horrible. And what the hell is with the institution thing?? Placing a child in an institution is way crueler than stopping the problem in the early stages. Putting a child in an institution is not taking responsibility for a problem; it is passing the problem on to someone else. Then again, it is totally up to the individual who is having the child. But I think that terminating the pregnancy would be the more humane choice. Does anyone else feel this way?? Cheers, IP: Logged |
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JustJenn Senior Member Posts: 1276 |
posted March 29, 2002 07:48 PM
Thank you for replying Sam IP: Logged |
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sweetsnail Senior Member Posts: 972 |
posted March 29, 2002 10:45 PM
Yes. I agree with you both. -steph IP: Logged |
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POE Senior Member Posts: 34 |
posted March 29, 2002 11:06 PM
I agree whit you guy's, Poe [This message has been edited by POE (edited March 29, 2002).] IP: Logged |
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blue_psyche Senior Member Posts: 129 |
posted March 31, 2002 10:01 PM
very interesting opinions, but i want to pose this question: is it your right to take someone else's life? that's not your life you're taking, it is someone else's. which would you choose then, eternal guilt or a lifetime of suffering and joy? IP: Logged |
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sweetsnail Senior Member Posts: 972 |
posted March 31, 2002 10:54 PM
I guess the question really lies in what really constitutes life. Is having a degenerative disease that effects such things as being able to feed yourself, clothe yourself, get around on your own will really living? And Psyche mentions a lifetime of suffering and joy. If you suffer day in and day out, where's the joy? Personally, I think that if you do know your child would endure such a life where they rely only on others, you should be able to decide what's best for that child. Jenn was talking about how some people are unable to care for these special needs children. I believe you, Psyche, are not pro choice? This is still a question of the control a parent has in the life of a child they help to create. I'm not sure I want children, but if I knew my child was going to have a life where they would be soley dependant on others, I would be reluctant to bring the child into the world. I don't think I would feel a lifetime of guilt, either, if I desided it was best to have an abortion before the child was born. If I felt that was the best for the child, that's what I would do. I don't think anyone should have to endure a lifetime of suffering. That's not life to me. -steph IP: Logged |
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blue_psyche Senior Member Posts: 129 |
posted April 03, 2002 04:46 AM
i am always pro-life, never pro-choice. when i say a lifetime of suffering and joy, i mean it. it always depends upon each person's perspective of what suffering is. if suffering is always trials, hardships, pessimism, then nobody can get anywhere with that. to me, suffering always presents an opportunity for me to love others. for example, i had so many painful surgeries for my teeth, my harelip, cleft palate, etc. this is truly suffering because those operations were very painful, esp. when the doctors took some bone from my right pelvic. took me one month before i can walk well. painful, but i saw this as a chance to love others, esp. my mom. i try not to complain, i try to walk just to get used to walking again after the operations, i eat whatever's healthy and what can help in speeding up my recovery, i don't rely on others if i know i can do it by myself. now let's see this thru the eyes of the children with special needs. you'll be amazed at how they see people and life in general. i've had the pleasure of knowing so many of them, and they're the best people i've known. the innocence, the wonder, the love they bring to the world. when they talk, they only speak about truth in its purest form, and always about love. isn't that joy in its simplest yet profound form? don't you want other people to experience that? IP: Logged |
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Carly Senior Member Posts: 384 |
posted April 03, 2002 07:44 PM
It should be the choice of the parent. It is their child and will affect their lives. Plus, if the technology exists, people will do it anyway. At least if the choice is left up to the parents, the government can regulate it, and peolpe will not have to go to some black-marked unlicensed clinic. Carly IP: Logged |
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