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Wildsea
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posted February 09, 2002 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wildsea     Edit/Delete Message
Has anybody heard anything about the new cd?
I heard Atlantic has been dropping artists so this might be a very stressful time for Duncan if they don't push his new cd. How did Phantom Moon do? Does anyone know?

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duncanbox
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posted February 09, 2002 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for duncanbox   Click Here to Email duncanbox     Edit/Delete Message
I doubt Duncan will be dropped. Atlantic can't be heartless like that. I did hear that they're gonna start putting everything together in March though, but I'm not completely sure. I'm pretty aure Phantom Moon did well, considering the relatively low publicity Atlantic gave it, and considering it was released on Nonesuch, a baby of Atlantic.
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alleycat
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posted February 11, 2002 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alleycat     Edit/Delete Message
Does anyone know a release date? Title?

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BryterLayter77
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posted February 11, 2002 11:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BryterLayter77   Click Here to Email BryterLayter77     Edit/Delete Message
I can't provide an exact release date, but I would presume that Duncan's next CD will be released in the next couple of months. There are two reasons why I say this:

1) When Duncan performed in Annapolis last November, someone asked him when he would be back. Duncan said that he would probably be back sometime next spring/summer (if I recall correctly), with the idea of promoting the next record.

2) The main page of this website states, and I quote, "We hope to announce more dates as the months to the release of Duncan's new release wind down. Keep checking the calendar for the latest."

This statement tells me that Duncan is in the final stages of recording/mixing. In my personal opinion, I'm presuming that Duncan's next CD, tentatively titled "For," will be out in the next two to three months. Of course, this is pure speculation on my part. I could be wrong.

As for how well "Phantom Moon" sold, I don't know. I don't think "Phantom Moon" was certified gold at any point in the last year, and that would require at least 500,000 CDs to be sold. The source for record sales, if I'm not mistaken, is Sound Scan. When I have some time, I'll see if there is anyway I can get in contact with Sound Scan to see if I can get an exact figure.

Best,

Richard

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alleycat
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posted February 11, 2002 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alleycat     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Richard!

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ediebrickell
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posted February 14, 2002 02:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ediebrickell   Click Here to Email ediebrickell     Edit/Delete Message
Phantom Moon as well as Humming did not do well. Duncan's debut CD sold 554,000 copies to date (gold), Humming sold 35,000 copies to date and Phantom Moon has sold 5,342 copies to date. This info can be obtained from Soundscan or the RIAA. I believe if you go to artists on the RIAA web site it will tell you which records are gold and platinum for an artist. I think Barely Breathing went gold, also. If I were Duncan, I would be worried about Atlantic dropping me. Just a guess, but I think Atl. has not given Duncan a budget to shoot videos. I say that because he said at a show he won't be doing any more of them... Let's hope the next album does better!

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BryterLayter77
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posted February 14, 2002 03:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BryterLayter77   Click Here to Email BryterLayter77     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Edie for the information.

I read somewhere, here perhaps, that Duncan said that he wouldn't make anymore videos. Whether that was a personal decision or a decision made by Atlantic, I'm not sure.

Personally, I think Atlantic is going to see what happens to the next CD before they decide to keep or drop Duncan. I might be wrong, but for some reason, I think Atlantic allowed Duncan to do "Phantom Moon" as long as his next release was somewhat more accessible. The fact that the sales of "Humming" and "Phantom Moon" came nowhere close to matching the sales of "Duncan Sheik" is enough to gravely concern any record executive. I mean, the sales numbers are not slight drops. Duncan literally fell off the face of the Earth after the debut CD.

Now, I will be the first one to say that record sales does not denote the overall quality of the music. Just because the song reaches #1 does not mean its a great song musically. However, from the industry standpoint, the object for these executives is to make money. They want to see a return on their investments.

With Duncan, I think Atlantic saw how well things went with "Barely Breathing" and thought they had someone here. They have also saw how well received Duncan has become with most critics and other musicians, even though "Humming" and "Phantom Moon" didn't sell well. Now, the good press is always good, but at some point, one has to put up or shut up. I think Duncan and Atlantic has reached that point in their relationship.

Of course, if Duncan is dropped by Atlantic, I don't think his career would be over by any stretch. There are labels, main and independent, that might be willing to sign him. I guess we will just wait and see.

Peace,

Richard

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aileen
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posted February 14, 2002 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aileen   Click Here to Email aileen     Edit/Delete Message
I think we also need to look at the climate of the music industry since his debut came out. About a year after his debut came out it seems the "boy band" craze became all the rage. Groups like BSB, N'Sync, and pop princesses like Brittney and Christina (really there are way too many to name) started flooding the airwaves. Quality had been replaced by quantity.

At this point singer/songwriters took a backseat. Now looking at the bands that have been coming out lately I feel the "pop" music that has been so popular is on its way out. This being said I do think that Duncan will have more sucess with this next cd. At least that is what I am hoping.

Music trends come and go but talent endures. Duncan will endure and if Atlantic is smart they will see this. I think in the next year or so we will be seeing some changes with what we hear on the radio.( We can only hope).

Well that is my 2 cents. Sorry to ramble on.

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Storybug18
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posted February 14, 2002 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Storybug18   Click Here to Email Storybug18     Edit/Delete Message
I totally agree with aileen on this one. Pop music icons can only go so far but true talent will last a lifetime.I mean, Britney's boobs are going to start to sag and her perfect figure is going to fade out at some point!!! And once this happens, people will lose interest and her career will fade out as well. LOL!!! I know it's a mean way to look at it, but it's the truth I think Duncan will be making records and strumming his guitar till he's old and gray And I'm truly praying that Atlantic does not drop him. I think it would be a very stupid mistake. He is such a sincere talent and such a wonderful person. It would be a shame if he were to be cut just because he doesn't have the massive following of a "pop star." I know this was a bit of a rant, but I'm just cheering Duncan on as well as all of the other overlooked artists out there

Cheers,
Sam

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Blackwuzzy
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posted February 14, 2002 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackwuzzy   Click Here to Email Blackwuzzy     Edit/Delete Message
Well, here's some positive, good Karma out to Duncan - Alway's. He has no need to worry. He will never be a part of that scene.

***There will always be a place for his Music in this world. Duncan can do things for himself, if he wishes or has too.

Much Love and Peace,
BW

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tdoglovin
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posted February 14, 2002 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tdoglovin   Click Here to Email tdoglovin     Edit/Delete Message
I would have to say that Pop is returning to the Singer / Songwriter focus. Lisa Loeb is cranking out a new album this month. David Gray, Pete Yorn, John Mayer, and Jewel have all got great record sales on their recent releases and I think there is a lot to be said for a rebound from this POP dummying down on its way. We will have to see. For those who heard Momento (a tennative track on the new album "FOR") it is still duncan but with a bit of rythmic edge. He can make it work. I am optimistic.

[This message has been edited by tdoglovin (edited February 16, 2002).]

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lipglossarsonist658
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posted February 14, 2002 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lipglossarsonist658   Click Here to Email lipglossarsonist658     Edit/Delete Message
i agree with all of you on this subject. Atlantic records has seen some of its greatest talents leave recently, such as tori amos who is only a moderate seller ( 1 million per record) but has a faithful following. She decided to leave Atlantic beacause of artistic differences.
Duncan is not the type of artist that sells millons of records and never to be heard from again. He had definate potential for longevity and record companies hopefully see that. If any of you have read the Jeff Buckley and Tim buckley biography, the author explains this practice of signing talent. Jeff was on Columbia and they knew that Jeff's musicianship and fan base would grow after a few albums, not after one summer and a long running single. He was to be a Dylan. And i think Duncan has a similar potential to become a secret legend.
And besides all of that i really can't see Duncan ever doing anything but playing music. Its what he's meant to do and as long as he has fans like us to support him, he will. As much as i want Duncan to do well and succeed, I like keeping him to myself, as my own little secret. I can't imagine him ever playing an arena, i hope he never does. The intimacy of he's performances are very special, and he is the critics golden boy. So maybe Atlantic won't give up on him too soon.
Lipgloss arsonist

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Mangotigerlily
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posted February 15, 2002 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mangotigerlily   Click Here to Email Mangotigerlily     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with what everyone has been saying. It is so true about pop music and everything. I do hope that Duncan's populartiy does increase some, all for what would make Duncan happy. Personally I don't want him to get sooo popular that he loses his own sense of music and self (but i doubt that would happen). He is the kind of musican that has talent, the kind that lasts regardless of label.

But onto untold information. I have heard a pre-finshed version of a song that, when i heard it, Duncan said that it was intended for the upcomming album. The song was called "Momento". I heard it on a radio show he did in August 2001. I posted something here about back then.

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Wildsea
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posted February 15, 2002 12:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wildsea     Edit/Delete Message
Well you guys know what we have to do when the new release comes out. CALL YOUR RADIO STATIONS!! What ticks me off is if they only release the cd to "large market areas" some of us will never get to hear it on the radio.

Maybe if the PR people made a commission on sales they would be out there bustin' their ass working! Edwin McCain had a new cd out in June with some great songs on it but I never heard one song on the radio. So since he got no airplay, he got no big sales, which equals dropped contract. I hate to say it, but unless we speak up to be heard, I don't see them doing much for Duncan either.

Hopefully, Duncan will appreciate our support and maybe give us some tips on what to do to help him when the cd comes out. He's definitely got my sale on the first day the cd is released.

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Kimm
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posted February 15, 2002 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimm   Click Here to Email Kimm     Edit/Delete Message
From Soundscan as of week ending 2/10:

Duncan Sheik 532,153
Humming 70,133
Phantom Moon 37,493

Soundscan is updated every Wednesday and records all units sold through the Sunday of that week.

I've been struggling with whether or not to post this information. I think ediebrickell's point is still made, but our Duncan is loved a little bit more than the numbers she listed.

Kimm

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big john
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posted February 16, 2002 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for big john   Click Here to Email big john     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the info, Kimm. How did you find it? Is there any easy way to access that info? Thanks!

All the best,

John

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wolfspirit
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posted February 16, 2002 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wolfspirit   Click Here to Email wolfspirit     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, thanks for the info. Too bad - but it is true. You have to have at least one "hit single" to really get radio airplay, which is a HUGE factor in selling your album. I know Duncan said of his first record that is was a "record that just happened to have a pop song on it." We all know he dislikes "pop" music per say. But "Barely Breathing" is GOOD pop. It's catchy, and has some musical substance to it as well. I hope this "fourth" album that I believe will be called "For:" (perhaps a play on the fact that it's his fourth record?)
does well for him. Nonetheless, WE here will love the music. But I'm sure Duncan has a contract with Atlantic to produce "this much for what we are giving you" - and I know Atlantic gave him special permission to put "Phantom Moon" out on their "Nonesuch" label, but Duncan said that the deal entailed him delivering something more "modern" for Atlantic SOON in return for that deal.

Regarding what was said above about music videos, Duncan told me the same thing. I told him I'd never seen any of his videos, and he just laughed and said "that's okay, I'm not making them anymore anyway." He didn't seem down or "miffed" when he said it - I didn't say anything, being that I was busy getting my foot out of my mouth for saying "gee - I'ts 2001 and I have NEVER seen one of your videos Duncan!" I didn't say it like that, and I don't think he took it like I was putting him down - I was just being honest. Until a friend from this board mailed me a tape that contained his videos (luv ya sweetie! ) - I just had never seen one. But again, I don't watch MTV at all, and have limited exposure with VH1, because the year Duncan released his debut (1996) - I released MY debut (a boy in April, 7 lbs 9 ounces ) - so I was busy with a baby when all those videos were likely playing.
Well, that's enough from me!
Ta-ta!
Shari

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Blackwuzzy
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posted February 17, 2002 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackwuzzy   Click Here to Email Blackwuzzy     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, Duncan is a rarity. He shines through the Poppish Pack..... with a brilliance that shines from within his Soul. Most Musicians today, couldn't care less. Let's face it, the World is concerned with the so-called trends.....not spiritual matters at the heart. Duncan's Music speaks from a perspective vantage point, which really truly cuts to the gut of things. (Life) Yes, you need a recording label, but it's not a matter of life or death. With knowledge and knowing, having the right people with you, (Truly talented musicians, ANYTHING can be accomplished.)Duncan can certainly bring everything together. You must realize, to be a part of these large labels, your going to have to yes.....give them alot of your Soul. How much can one give???? This has often become a problem, which ends up taking away from the creative process for Musicians in the long run, and then they find more peace in doing things, maybe just slightly differently, which I believe Duncan may be doing now. There are so many avenues open to him.... with his Vision. I love "Momento," and I am positive, any of his new works will prove very rewarding, beneficial to everyone they touch.

It may be the American way...that sometimes catches us in it's grips- too hard at times.
Let's look at all the angles and possible paths.

So much potential is waiting to be awakened yet in Duncan. I cannot wait to share in this light and in his future accomplishments.

Much Love and Peace,
Michele :

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posted February 17, 2002 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chokedamp   Click Here to Email chokedamp     Edit/Delete Message
how did you find this info? what's the web site?

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Mangotigerlily
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posted February 17, 2002 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mangotigerlily   Click Here to Email Mangotigerlily     Edit/Delete Message
Which information are you talking about? That will help us to be able to tell you.

Crystal ~~~~++++~~~~

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Kimm
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posted February 19, 2002 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimm   Click Here to Email Kimm     Edit/Delete Message
The info on Duncan's scans came from the Soundscan website which requires membership. I don't know how much it is, but it's expensive. The company I work for pays for it though I'm sure they weren't expecting me to use that access for an artist we're not affiliated with so don't tell.

Regardless of how many records he sells, I think we all agree that they're brilliant. Unfortunately it is a strong factor for a major record label like Atlantic in determining how much they'll invest in promoting future releases. Hopefully they'll hear the hit on Duncan's next record and really get behind it despite declining sales. As flawed as the system is, it really does help to have a big gun like Atlantic in your corner. It takes a lot of money to get radio play and spins on MTV so that people can hear the music and go buy the CD. Atlantic has the means to make that happen, and hopefully the new team they've put in place believes in Duncan and will support this new record. (But still call your radio stations when the single comes out! It really makes a difference.)

Shari mentioned not seeing the videos on MTV or VH1. No one should have to suffer that way! If you've missed any or just want to see that sexy mug again, his videos are available online at http://launch.yahoo.com. There's also an EPK for duncan sheik.

So, back to discussing his artistry instead of sales...

Kimm

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