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Nathalie
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posted January 07, 2002 07:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nathalie   Click Here to Email Nathalie     Edit/Delete Message
Does anyone here know what Mr Chess is about or does anyone at least have an opinion? Cause I was listening to it last night for like the 100th time and I still can't figure it out....

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BryterLayter77
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posted January 07, 2002 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BryterLayter77   Click Here to Email BryterLayter77     Edit/Delete Message
Nathalie: I think there is at least one person who knows exactly the original meaning of "Mr Chess": Steven Sater. But then again, as Duncan would probably say, whatever the song means to you, then that's what it means. For me, the best part of Steven's lyrics are the fact that they are elusive, which allows the attentive listener to place their own personal input into the songs. He takes somethng out of the lyrical equation so the listener can put something into it, so to speak. That's my feeling anyway.

To be totally honest, I'm not sure what "Mr. Chess" means exactly. My interpretation is pretty basic, nothing flashy or intellectually sophisticated. I do know, though, that "Mr. Chess" is the theme to "Umbrage." As Steven stated in a March 30, 2001 post titled "so many cool questions" in the "Phantom Moon" section,
"[M]r. [C]hess is indeed the theme for [U]mbrage."

If I'm not mistaken, "Umbrage" is a verson of Shakespeare's "The Tempest." I guess if one looks closely to the plot of "Umbrage," or "The Tempest" for that matter, that a meaning of "Mr. Chess" will appear more or less.

Personally, I think "Mr. Chess" is a love song that depicts the stages of love between two lovers, from meeting until marriage. There is a scene in Act V of "The Tempest" where Ferdinand is playing chess with his love Miranda. Eventually, both are planning to get married. I will admit right now that my knowledge of Shakespear isn't that great, and it has been awhile since I read "The Tempest." So, if anyone is going to call me out on this one, be kind.

"So good to meet you, Mr. Chess,/I've always heard that you're the best/At housing knights and castles high/up in the air."

Right here, I believe that both Ferdinand and Miranda have just met and have fell in love, thus explaining to me "So good to meet you, Mr. Chess,/I've always heard that you're the best..."

"So, I beseech you, Mr. Chess,/To let me sleep inside your bed./And, would you sleep too--/would you sleep too--in the chair?"

I have a hard time wondering who is singing, Ferdinand or Miranda. To me, this line expresses the early stages of their love (the offering of the bed), while also displaying pre-marital chastity...as both will not sleep in the same bed. One will sleep in the bed, and the other will sleep in the chair.

"You see, I dream of many things,/Of floating, solitary kings,/Of pawns and people with blue sequins/through their hair."

Steven's lyrics add an air of mystery to the song, much like the mystery involved in "The Tempest" and "Umbrage." "Floating, solitary kings" represent, to me, Ferdinand's father Alonso, the King of Naples. "Pawns and people" does not only represent a nice chess reference, but also the fact that some characters of "The Tempest" were working underhandedly to get what they want. For example, Miranda's father Prospero was once the Duke of Milan, but was forced into exile by his brother Antonio. Antonio, forced on the island by his brother's magic, tries to get Sebastian to kill his brother King Alonso, and so on. Though, this shows the "behind the scenes" intrigue that goes on as Ferdinand and Miranda's love affair is blossoming. To me, "pawns and people" have a double meaning.

"The jester sings,/The bishop brings/The Queen/A hollow following;/And all the pawns and people stop,/And people stare.../So, I too stop/At three o'clock./I stumble to your door/And knock/And ask to see you,/Ask to be you,/Mr. Chess."

Right here, this is the marriage of Ferdinand and Miranda, or I believe it is anyway. Ferdinand is the successor to King Alonso's throne one day, which would make Miranda the Queen. Therefore, "The jester sings,/The bishop brings/The Queen." Later on in the song, "And ask to see you,/Ask to be you,/Mr. Chess" is sung, which represents a union where two people become one. So, in my interpretation, its the marriage of Ferdinand and Miranda.

"Now, I beseech you, Mr. Chess,/To let me sleep, to let me rest,/To let me dream, to let me sing/without a care."

Its after the marriage. So, one can come up with their own interpretations . This time, with the message of "sleep" and "rest," there is no mention of a bed or a chair, so its presumably one bed.

"And I will dream you things so fair,/I'll sing you castles in the air,/And I will sleep too--I will sleep too--/I will rest.../O, Mr. Chess.../My Mr. Chess."

I guess the last verses talk about how the singer will make his/her spouse very happy in their marriage, of dreaming castles in the air and things that are so fair...etc. etc.

That's my (very bad) interpretation of "Mr. Chess. I hope it helps some.

Peace,

Richard

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Springroz
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posted January 07, 2002 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Springroz   Click Here to Email Springroz     Edit/Delete Message
You are too good. Brilliant interpretation.

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Storybug18
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posted January 07, 2002 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Storybug18   Click Here to Email Storybug18     Edit/Delete Message
I give you an A+ Richard! A job well done. Now I can listen to Mr. Chess with that lovely analysis in my head

Hugs,
Sam

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posted January 07, 2002 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunday's child   Click Here to Email sunday's child     Edit/Delete Message
Always thought that this song is a metaphoric-adaptive fusion of real life and playing chess... beacuse of the bishop and the queen... but after reading THIS (and it took me some time) I can say, I`m feeling completely dumb...

A+++, Rich!

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ericka
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posted January 07, 2002 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ericka   Click Here to Email ericka     Edit/Delete Message
Richard = resident genius. ericka

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Mohannad
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posted January 08, 2002 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mohannad   Click Here to Email Mohannad     Edit/Delete Message
Awesome interpretation. I've always thought it was about God. That Mr. Chess was God and that who ever is singing was trying to get closer to Him. He also was trying to get forgiveness from God and in return he will sing songs in his name. But it seems to me that your interpretation makes more sense and is much more relevant to the actual play.

Mohannad

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posted January 08, 2002 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for duncanfan   Click Here to Email duncanfan     Edit/Delete Message
I knew you would be the one to reply, Richard!! You are amazing!

Tina

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Blackwuzzy
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posted January 08, 2002 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackwuzzy   Click Here to Email Blackwuzzy     Edit/Delete Message
Richard,
Are you sure you did not make all of that up?

**You know Richard, I was only joking.

[This message has been edited by Blackwuzzy (edited March 05, 2002).]

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Nathalie
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posted January 09, 2002 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nathalie   Click Here to Email Nathalie     Edit/Delete Message
HOLY SH*T!!!

That was probably the best interpratation that I have ever had the pleasure of reading. Holy Cow! You are good! I now understand completely the meaning of the song! Wow! I can't get over it! You are so good! Thank you so very very much Richard. I can't tell you how much I appreciate the time that you put in writing this!

A very content Nat!

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BryterLayter77
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posted January 09, 2002 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BryterLayter77   Click Here to Email BryterLayter77     Edit/Delete Message
No, Michele, I did not make any of this up. Steven did say that "Mr. Chess" was the theme for "Umbrage."

www.duncansheik.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000021.html

Moreover, I read an article that has stated that "Umbrage" is a version of Shakespeare's "The Tempest," with "Umbrage" picking up a Steppenwolf New Play Contest award.

www.bighassle.com/a_dsheik.htm

My interpretation tends to have a connection with "The Tempest." However, I never claimed that my interpretation holds the exact meaning to "Mr. Chess," although I am pleased that it has received wonderful responses. For all I or anyone else knows, "Mr. Chess" could have been loosely construed from "Umbrage" or "The Tempest." Only Steven Sater can say exactly what "Mr. Chess" is really about.

But in the end, the song can be shaped by our own perceptions. Each song can be what we, the listeners, make of it. "Mr. Chess" can be seen as "a metaphoric-adaptive fusion of real life and playing chess..." or a song about God. That's why Steven's lyrics are wonderful, since they act in part as a form of fan interaction which you do not see in songs that are clearly defined.

Peace,

Richard

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wolfspirit
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posted January 09, 2002 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wolfspirit   Click Here to Email wolfspirit     Edit/Delete Message
I can back Richard up on all that. I have a video thanks to one of my Duncan buddies (you know who you are ) that has Steven Sater and Duncan talking about "Mr. Chess." They don't mention "The Tempest" - but everything else is right on, though I must say Richard certainly has more info!
Duncan said that Steven wrote the song (lyrics I presume) Mr. Chess for Umbrage that was "less in the play, but more about the play." But basically Steven said someone suggested a more "upbeat" song for the play "Umbrage" which Duncan said was a "two-person" play that was kind of dark and funny and tragic "the things I'm kinda attracted to" (laughing). Steven said the "people" (he did not say whom) said they had a Dylan song, but Steven suggested that Duncan already had a song (to what Sater had written lyrically), or maybe he could do a cover or something. They said it was part of the cycle of songs they had written with the "sense of this album" - that being Phantom Moon, I presume. Sater ends the interview (which I viewed this a.m. after seeing this thread and remembering I had this little video) - that part of it for him is that the lyrics or songs seem more about "sentiment" - more about "feeling" than poetry is to him to express something you would sing to someone else (in lieu of reading poetry to someone else I assume).
I am paraphrasing, but I wrote the words down as it went along. So if "The Tempest" is a "two-person" play - then I suppose they could be tied together that way. I am just posting what I have the two (Sater and Sheik) saying about the song and what it's about in relevance to the play (which isn't much) - but it does seem to support Richard's summarization. I apologize if I actually just made things more confusing!
Shari

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duncanfan
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posted January 09, 2002 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for duncanfan   Click Here to Email duncanfan     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Shari, you are suppose to watch the video, not memorize it. I'm joking...I pretty much have most Duncan interviews memorized because I listen to them over and over. Maybe I should get a life!!! It's Duncan's fault for being so damn interesting.

Tina

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posted January 09, 2002 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wolfspirit   Click Here to Email wolfspirit     Edit/Delete Message
I got it out and kinda took notes, so I could back Richard up that Steven and Duncan said that Umbrage is indeed a "two-person" play (as is what Richard described) - and that Duncan said (in the end, because what I typed IS confusing!) - that they had a song called "Mr. Chess" that is "not in the play, but more about the play" - supporting Richard's statement that Mr. Chess is indeed the theme to Umbrage. I just remembered the interview and got it out - I didn't have it memorized - I truly love those tapes, but I haven't memorized them, you silly thang. I do have a knack for remembering what people have said - since Richard's statements were under question as being possibly "made up." I wanted to say "no" - "this is what Duncan and Steven said about it, and it seems to make sense."
Memorize, geez. I can remember something someone said a bit of time ago, but ask me what happened 5 minutes ago and I wouldn't be able to tell you! (You know that ) I am in desperate need of a short term memory byte replacement!
A great day wished to all!

Shari

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BryterLayter77
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posted January 09, 2002 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BryterLayter77   Click Here to Email BryterLayter77     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you, Shari, for backing me up.

Richard

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sweetsnail
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posted January 11, 2002 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweetsnail   Click Here to Email sweetsnail     Edit/Delete Message
well, I thought it was about an apprentice and his former master, and he comes back to the master to thank him and also ask for a favor. I think the other version makes more sense.
-Stephanie

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posted January 11, 2002 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhineasBlue   Click Here to Email PhineasBlue     Edit/Delete Message
Richard...

Truely a magnificent interpretation.


Amber

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Cici
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posted January 11, 2002 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cici     Edit/Delete Message
Maybe Steven or Duncan will drop by sometime and let us know about this Tempest thing....

but in the mean time I'll add my two cents and make a fool of myself.

I looked at that website you posted Richard
( www.bighassle.com/a_dsheik.htm ) and I interpret that one paragraph mentioning the Tempest to be listing a couple of Steven's accomplishments/credentials...
1. his version of the Tempest was scored by Laurie Anderson
2. Umbrage won him a Steppenwolf award

I'm thinking that maybe they are seperate projects... Isn't Umbrage a mentor - student story with two male leads?

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posted January 12, 2002 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackwuzzy   Click Here to Email Blackwuzzy     Edit/Delete Message
Richard,

I haven't been back on here since my posting.

I was only joking Dude about your In Depth analysis of Mr.Chess. I know that you wouldn't make that up.

Thanks for your views Richard and also CiCi.

Much Peace,
Michele BW


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Springroz
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posted January 12, 2002 12:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Springroz   Click Here to Email Springroz     Edit/Delete Message
Cici, i think they are seperate projects too. But i think Richard's personal interpretation proves a point as to Shakespeare's influence in modern literature. Was Steven thinking about The Tempest when he was writing? Maybe. But can you think of a really good plot for any creative work that isnt alteast influenced by Shakespeare? The fact that Richard saw the Shakespeare in Steven so clearly is commendable.

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posted January 12, 2002 02:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BryterLayter77   Click Here to Email BryterLayter77     Edit/Delete Message
As Mari stated, a Shakespearian influence can be seen in a lot of modern literature. "Mr. Chess" is a good example in my opinion. Of course, one can call my interpretation "Mr. Chess: From the Shakespearian Perspective."

"Umbrage" and "The Tempest" are perhaps two different projects, but in interpreting "Mr. Chess," I could not help but notice some of the interesting connections between Steven's lyrics and the Shakespearian play. It seemed to fit together nicely.

Like Cici said, all we need is Duncan or Steven to join in the discussion. So, if you two are reading this, feel free to jump in at anytime.

Best,

Richard

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sweetsnail
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posted January 12, 2002 03:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweetsnail   Click Here to Email sweetsnail     Edit/Delete Message
I just thought of why I would have trouble being a literature teacher...I suck at relating symbols.
-steph

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Cici
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posted January 12, 2002 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cici     Edit/Delete Message
Shakespeare is(was) the man for sure and I agree that many writings have been influenced by his stories but even he had predecessors. If you take a look at classical mythology you'll often times find a story to which one of his is comparable. And the written form of mythologies were themselves preceded by oral tradition... The originality comes in the telling of the story using your own style. And Mr. Shake had plenty of that. It's all about style, man.

Richard I like your analysis... it's well thought out and written... proving once again that you're an intelligent guy...

What are you majoring in?

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posted January 24, 2002 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Corinne11     Edit/Delete Message
Richard,
What an awesome interpretation. Great job !!!

-Lisa

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Kellye
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posted January 27, 2002 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kellye   Click Here to Email Kellye     Edit/Delete Message
Geez. All I got out of it was that Duncan knew a guy who's last name was Chess. Now I feel dumb.

Kellye

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posted January 28, 2002 01:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BrokenG   Click Here to Email BrokenG     Edit/Delete Message
Wow, indepth there. OK, over summer I was reseaching some Buddist things, Confucianism, and whatnot, and I read something about a philosopher, or leader, that loved to play chess. I dunno though.
~Jennie

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posted February 08, 2002 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Damion123   Click Here to Email Damion123     Edit/Delete Message
man, I wish I looked at this topic sooner, cause that is just an amazing interpretation of the song Rich. You remind a lot of my father, he's so very smart. Thanks for that. Til next time my friend,

Adam

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Steven Sater
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posted March 03, 2002 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steven Sater     Edit/Delete Message
you know, you guys blow me away. you are all truly remarkable.

there's a line in marlowe's play tamburlaine: "infinite riches in a little room". reading your messages -- so much thought and time and attention, about our little song. i'm really touched.

for the record, the tempest (my very radical stripped-down version of the tempest) and umbrage are two separate projects. but i was working on them at the same time (one in ny and the other in london) when i first met duncan, and when we wrote mr. chess.

i've always kind of wondered if you wouldn't see the tempest echoes in sad stephen's song -- full fathom five thy father lies, of his bones are coral made, and all that.

anyway...

thank you, thank you,

s

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posted March 05, 2002 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackwuzzy   Click Here to Email Blackwuzzy     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Steven.

M

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posted March 24, 2002 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for daisyaei   Click Here to Email daisyaei     Edit/Delete Message
how amazing was that? to actually have the man behind the amazing work be touched by the attention that was payed to it. only here.
amy

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