Strong Armed Christians, relax …
OohKay, I know some feathers have been ruffled vis a vis the lyrics in “Star-field on Red Lines”. So, before it gets out of hand here is where I’m coming from …
First off, the title is simply a description of the American flag - a field of stars on top of red lines.
The “strong armed Christians oiled up and fed” line is a complicated image which I will unpack if it will help. The “strong arms” are really just the “supierior firepower” of our military and its deadly efficiency.
The Christians I’m refering to here are the Tom Delay or Tim LaHaye style of Christians who have, in my humble opinion, twisted the teachings of Jesus around into some scary version of “if you don’t believe what I believe you will (and should) burn in hell forever, and, by the way, capitalism in it’s most extreme form is really great and it doesn’t matter if you’re a corrupt hypocrite as long as you make lots of money”. Now, my Dad and my Grandfather are both devout church-going Catholics and I have nothing but respect for their devotion to their faith. And I’m well aware that there are all kinds of progressive, wonderful Christion churches that do amazing things in their communities and really do live up to the excellent standards that they have created for themselves. David Poe and I talk about this all the time because he comes from that background and I have no problems with that at all. It still doesn’t change the fact that there are “good” Christians and “bad” Christians (sorry about the subjective labels). I would actually argue that the “bad” Christians aren’t really Christians at all but something else that was developed over centuries of misinterpreting the teachings of Jesus and now we have to deal with their close-mindedness and desire for violent Armageddon. I also think that there are “good” Mulims and “bad” Muslims. Has anyone seen “Sleeper Cell” on Showtime? I know it’s just a TV show but it does an excellent job in articulating the idea that the violent Jihadists are in fact going against the “true” teachings of the Prophet Mohammad. As a Buddhist, I know that a lot of my own actions are not always in line with the “good” Buddhism that I try to practice but I feel that the teachings are pretty clear about how you should behave towards others no matter what their faith.
I could go on but it will be tiresome to everybody.
Finally, “oiled up and fed” has to do with the natural resources of a given county and the wealth that it can create and the wealth that, sadly, is often taken from the very people whose land the resources came from. Do with that idea what you will.
I hope I didn’t offend anyone who doesn’t deserve to be
offended at least a little bit : )
Merry Christmas everybody!
DS
December 21st, 2005 at 12:47 pm
Thanks Duncan. Personally, I’m a pretty devout Christian and I found nothing wrong with the song until you pointed it out. I figure you shouldn’t be afraid of offending people because eventually everyone is mad at you it seems. Anyway, I completely agree with the statements about the exsistence of “good” and “bad” people. The labels we get hung up on just create more conflict. I find the song enlightening and I find spiritual satisifaction in your music and always have, in spite of our differences in beliefs. I’m just glad that we can all find faith in something in a world gone crazy. Keep on rocking!
-Steve
December 21st, 2005 at 12:50 pm
Oh yeah. Happy Holidays to everyone at the blog! Spend lots of money! (just kidding)
December 21st, 2005 at 12:57 pm
Duncan,
Thank you for the great respect that you give to all beliefs regardless of what specific faith one may belong to. If more people shared your philosophy on this subject then the constant persecution of Christians, along with the persection of all religions might be on decline. I do however realize that the “fanatics” of any belief make it difficult to do so. Thanks for your ever-so interesting blog entries & for constantly making brilliant music.
Merry Christmas & Happy New Year
December 21st, 2005 at 1:15 pm
Isn’t that the truth…I have discussions about “good” and “bad” Christians with a friend who is very devoted to her faith. I think she is amazing for her faith and all of the things she does for other people. I’m not necessarily an atheist, or a Christian, I’m somewhere in between. At 27 I suppose it’s normal that I really don’t have a direction as far as spirituality goes. I still maintain with my friend that being tolerant, loyal, and just an all around good guy puts me at least somewhere above “bad” Christians. It’s an interesting argument. I think being tolerant is the key. I have just as much respect for her faith as I do for your belief in Buddhism.
I also have a lot of respect for your opinions of our government. I happen to lean more toward your side on this argument, but that doesn’t mean that I can’t respect and listen to both sides of it.
December 21st, 2005 at 1:34 pm
I would like to think there is no such thing as a bad Christian. Maybe misguided, but the words bad Christian is an oxymoron. Christian means Christ-like, so on paper bad Christian would mean bad Christ -like which doesn’t make any sense.
I hear where you are coming from Duncan, and i respect your opinion and love the song. What i most appreciate is not blatantly attacking a religion different from yourself.
December 21st, 2005 at 1:43 pm
but the words bad Christian are an oxymoron. Sorry about the post with incorrect verb usage.
December 21st, 2005 at 2:10 pm
Why are the words “Bad Christian” an oxymoron? So you are saying that everyone that believes in the teachings of Jesus are good? Don’t take this the wrong way, but I think that is the sort of “my way or the highway” attitude that the song is about.
Part of the problem is people labeling themselves a certain religion in the first place. Its too easy for people to label or tie themselves to a certain religion just because they go to church, pray once in a while or were baptised or whatever. More people should just admit they are non-denominational than lie to themselves into saying they are tied to a certain religion.
And I’m not saying there are not good teachings in the bible, but its not the only place to learn how to be a good person.
December 21st, 2005 at 2:23 pm
You’re dead on Duncan.
I don’t know if there are bad Christians, but there a a lot of bad people who call themselves Christians. I know quite a few who go to church on Sunday, but act like jackasses the rest of the week. Eric Rudolph calls himself a Christian, right?
December 21st, 2005 at 2:32 pm
Thanks for clearing up the Star-field on Red Lines lyrics; No offense take here…Thanks for caring.. however, maybe the lyrics should have been “So-called, Christians” :)
Keep the great music coming our way.. only 34 days ’til WL release…Can’t wait!
Merry Christmas!
EJ
December 21st, 2005 at 2:45 pm
You hit the nail on the head with your comments Duncan about the narrow mindedness of the far right. I am Presbyterian (which is not nearly as narrow as some), and when we returned from living in Chile, and when my “church friends” discovered I am anti-Bush, they said “You MUST support Bush, if not you are not a Christian”. WHOA. This administration has been one of the most polarizing in recent memory.
Twisitng the teachings of Jesus has been around as long as Jesus has. There always have been, and most likely always will be, those who use the name of the Lord, or Chrisitanity to further their own causes however evil. Say what you want as long as it’s wrapped in a cloak.
I find it kind of sad that you have to defend yourself in this way… you don’t really owe anyone an explaination, but thanks that you can shed some light so we can better understand the song. Don’t worry about offending, there are always folks out there who just are waiting for something to offend them…
Merry Christmas and I hope for the very best for you in the coming year!
Molly
December 21st, 2005 at 2:51 pm
I think you’re taking “bad Christian” a bit too literally. You could also say that on paper it means “someone who is bad at following Christ’s teachings.” But anyway… Theoretically, anyone who calls himself a Christian should be someone who strives to follow Christ’s teachings. The whole point is that there are people who will label themselves Christians and pretend to be true believers but in reality don’t act the way a true Christian would.
Therein lies the problem with labels and the reason why some people will read the song lyrics as a direct attack on the Christian faith. The use of the word “Christian” in the song is slightly sarcastic, in the sense that Duncan is talking about the Tom-DeLay-Rick-Santorum-Armaggedon-is-a-comin’ or Jerry-Falwell-Pat-Robertson-let’s-blame-gays-and-abortionists-for-9/11 type of “Christians” as opposed to Christians who actually do good deeds and are tolerant of different opinions.
This kind of exploitation of different beliefs is nothing new, and the Republican party is much more adept than the Democratic party at galvanizing the religious people in their party base. In any case, both sides wouldn’t mind exploiting religion to get more votes.
I’m sure you know this, Duncan, but it may be worth repeating. Sarcasm, irony, and subtlety are bound to go over the heads of 80% of readers/listeners. Unless you make your work one-dimensional and completely straightforward (i.e., compromise your art [please don’t do that!]), you’re bound to offend people with what you have to say. There are so many layers and images packed into those lyric lines that it’s not a surprise that people have issues with it. Thank you for clearing up what you intended, even if you’ll probably offend some die-hard deconstructionists by being so “presumptuous” as to think that your opinion matters after you’ve “let your work go, so it can run free in the wild.” ;)
Enough silliness. I hope everyone has a wonderful time this holiday season.
Cheers,
Maria
December 21st, 2005 at 5:09 pm
I don’t get it. Some people just won’t let go of things. If something that can be misinterpreted slips out of any media, they’re all over it. Some people need to discern things that should be argued.
December 21st, 2005 at 5:29 pm
The Bible itself warns people to look below the surface of “false prophets” for they have “an appereance of a lamb but the voice of a dragon”.
Most of Christianity in America is gnostic (gnossis = knowledge in Greek), that is, they have a heady belief but really have no actions to back it up their faith. I don’t want to see someone who’s been divorced three times and can’t forgive anyone who wronged them but then tell me their “saved” through a belief and it doesn’t matter what they do.
Ask a Westerner why they’re a Christian, and they will tell you what they believe; ask an Eastener why they are a Christian and they will tell you what they do. Orthodoxy takes a back seat to Orthopraxy in any view of life.
December 21st, 2005 at 5:37 pm
By the way, I love the line in Shopping “If you’re searching for my soul, come check out my chains of gold”. Then Snoop Dog flashed in my mind and the commercial where he’s looking for his diamond chain that says “Snoop” as if he lost part of himself.
December 21st, 2005 at 7:21 pm
As a fellow Christian I’ve always wondered how President Bush interprets Jesus’ words in scripture to “do good to those that hate you”. I can?t help but juxtapose these words of Christ with Bush?s remarks that terrorists hate everything America stands for.
As a follower of Christ where would war ever fit into the equation? I ask this question not to condemn Bush but to try and better understand the enormity of Jesus? challenge.
December 21st, 2005 at 8:21 pm
Well now that politics and religion have been covered, is sex next?? :)
December 21st, 2005 at 11:30 pm
Thanks DS. Sherrie is right. Dead On. I enjoy reading Your thoughts on these Blogs.
December 21st, 2005 at 11:31 pm
Oh Yea, Merry Christmas Duncan!
December 22nd, 2005 at 12:25 am
To be honest with you Duncan, I cannot find the Song on my desktop to listen to it again. :) I know however, that it is quite a beautiful song, regardless of the viewponts in it. (Which I have absolutely no problems with) I just wanted to listen to it again and again and I cannot find it. Boy, does this thing need to hit the streets!!
Love,
bw XO
Happy Holidays Duncan….. Much Peace :)
December 22nd, 2005 at 12:31 am
Some people (Many People) just like arguing for the sake of arguing.
What a silly waste of time, especially over non-sense usually. Atlease if your going to argue, let it be over important matters of the heart and the well being of People in general….not over nonsense. Then again, some people just take things too seriously.
Not me. :)
These People need to lighten up, or get Right…..
December 22nd, 2005 at 2:20 am
Duncan,
I love the way you think. I understand what you mean by “good” Christians and “bad” Christians. I was raised Mormon (yes, Mormon’s really are Christians) and witnessed much hypocrisy in my community. Some people found it easier to hide behind the pretense of looking good going to church on Sunday, but not adhearing to the basic principles Christ taught such as “love thy neighbor as thyself.”
I was born in Japan while my father was in the Navy. He studied Zen and Nichiren Buddism, so I was exposed to both Mormonism and Buddhism. The eastern philosophy always resinated with me. I believe the Dalai Lama says it best “My religion is simple, my religion is kindness.” That’s truly all we need to lead Christ-like lives.
Merry Christmas Duncan…….you are my hero :)
L
December 22nd, 2005 at 6:10 am
i’m with (as usual) blackwuzzy on this. the song is beautiful. no need to define or clarify. why are people so worried about this?
Sheesh! :-)
I worry more and more about Duncan having to say, “this is what I meant when I said this.” It’s art. You get what you want/need to out of it, right? What it means to you, may not be what it means to Joe down the street….
as well as what it means to you may not be what it means to Duncan.
and i love the dalai lama quote. he is so amazing. 3 cheers for buddhism! :-)
December 22nd, 2005 at 7:08 am
You’re not offending anyone as far as I’m concerned. Artists should NEVER have to clarify the meaning of their lyrics just because they can be misinterpreted in more ways that one. It’s nice to hear what your original intent was by saying what you said, but don’t be apologetic about it if people can’t accept a great song at face value.
December 22nd, 2005 at 8:46 am
Cool DS. Can you do that for the rest of the songs on the album now? ’splain yourself! :D Hehe…
O.k. This is just a tad off topic…well sort of on topic, but yet off topic…it’s not about war. It came to mind with all this talk of religion, and I’m in the mood to share.
First off I’d like to say this… My family is Catholic. I grew up Catholic. Was baptized, had first communion, confirmation, went to church every Sunday…all that jazz. Then, I drifted away. I just wasn’t feeling it anymore. Actually, I never felt it. Anyway….So anything I say here is not an insult to Catholics in any way, shape, or form…I love me some Catholics.
Anyway, I worked with, and was friends with a girl who was a Catholic, and very much involved with the church. One day as we were walking to lunch, she turned to me with this very worried look on her face, and very seriously told me she was concerned for/about me. Worried because I was living with my boyfriend , living in sin, and that I’d be going to hell for that. ??? I just stood there with my mouth hanging open.
O.k… Here I am…a fairly kind, honest, caring, giving person…someone who LOVES animals and children..lol, respects the earth we live on, and basically am someone who wouldn’t hurt a fly. But I’m going to hell. Why? Because I live with the person I love…but we’re not married. And this girl really believed that. And she was basically an intelligent person. But nothing I said made her believe otherwise….I was definitely going to hell.
I’m sorry but this is f*cked up to me. It puzzles me. Because the bible or the church says it’s so…it’s so? Don’t EVEN think for yourself…just read the words and believe, and obey…don’t question. I mean come on! I’m going to burn in hell?? When people stop using their common sense and blindly follow and believe, it scares me. It’s like “drink this kool-aid….”
I sort of lost respect for my friend that day…and who knows, maybe I’m missing something….somehow missing out because I don’t have these strong beliefs…but, I don’t know….it’s freaky. And I guess this “taking things way too literally” and following blindly goes for any religion…I’m just using my poor misguided Catholic friend as an example. :D
Laura(believed to be going to hell)
December 22nd, 2005 at 10:17 am
Don’t misinterpret DS’s statement of “good and bad christians” as a label for “good and bad people.” Have you ever heard of the saying, “there’s no such thing as bad people…rather just people who do bad things?” Unfortunately some more so than others.
December 22nd, 2005 at 12:13 pm
Don’t worry Laura, I’m a recovering Catholic too. 4 years of Catholic school to over come.
We need to remember that the Bible wasn’t written directly by God. It was written by men who interpreted it and misintereprted it many times over. The meanings of a lot of words have been changed.
Sadly, too many people and groups will take the Bible and read a few passages, then twist it into their own warped view of things.
December 22nd, 2005 at 12:14 pm
I don’t think you need to justify your music, but it speaks volumes of your character that you wanted to. I was raised Catholic and my father, aunt, and uncle are pretty devout. Some of my friends are pretty into it, too. That said, I have had the pleasure of meeting many Christians who twist the scripture to serve their own needs. I have actually been told by a priest, and this is the day I lost all faith, “We never say that all other religions are WRONG, we just say that Catholicism is the RIGHT one.”
That said, almost all Christians I have met do things for the right reasons. I have only seen this “Doing things because you have to” and corruption of core values in Catholicism. I do not mean to say that all Catholics do things for the wrong reason or that it is a rampant problem, but the Catholic religion has taken a lot of liberties and put a lot of emphasis on what you HAVE TO DO. Take original sin, for example. In the early Church, that did not even exist. It became twisted as the shift in baptism moved from adults to children. Why it happened is arguable, but most Catholics think they absolutely have to have their child baptized to absolve original sin. It really began as a long process of initiation into the community. That was too long, sorry.
And, to Topaz: Don’t feel bad, I’m going to hell because I never go to Church and I disagree with lots of the teachings of Catholicism. Everyone knows you can’t call yourself a Catholic and say you disagree with one of the main teachings (IE. You can’t say “I am a Catholic and abortion is okay”). I don’t believe in hell, though. I find it counter-indicative of a forgiving god.
December 22nd, 2005 at 1:52 pm
Hey Duncan,
I like your choice of the word unpack. Basically, you have to break down your own lyrics into simple bites so that people can understand the true meaning. Most artists are content with throwing about the make your own meanings line. I can?t help but notice because you are deliberate in your attempt to clarify. Could this be for fear of a political backlash? I wouldn?t blame you in these tar and feather times. However, I will take it to mean that you actually care what fans (actual people) think.
Ironically, most of the people who post on the blog are the ones you don?t have to explain your lyrics to.
It is amazing to be on a journey with an artist who reflects the changing times yet remains relevant and authentic. It began in my junior year of high school, and looking back the lyrics of love and loss were a perfect backdrop for my adolescent experience. Fast forward and I am finished with graduate school and finally entering the working world. Lyrics that hold a mirror up to the tainted society that we live in are apropos as I search for my own personal meaning and life purpose.
Authentic music can bring about a true sense of community. Every religion has used the power of music for this purpose. I look forward to more music that challenges the intellect while simultaneously stimulating the soul. Bring on the White Limousine.
December 23rd, 2005 at 1:51 am
Hey there, rabble-rouser Duncan!
Thank God (har har har), you finally gave room for some religion! YEAH! Unfortunately, I?m so very embedded within the subject (too many late-night bottomless teacups and no true answers), I fear that any thought will too quickly become threaded into another… ultimately leading into a delicious (but abstract) ball of knot-thoughts. Stream of consciousness might be a large leap for a blog comment. :)
What I can say is this: I agree with the worry over powerful religious hypocrites. I agree that faith is a beautiful thing?g if sincere. When it becomes a guise-justification for self perpetuation… well, I suppose the loading of that sentence says it all. Often I wonder if people like Tom Delay etc., truly believe in the things they preach. Or is it the belief that others will follow, and consequently so will the $$$? I hate to think that way, but…
As for the extremists… they have always been, and always will be. They exist in all ideologies, all denominations. The trouble really seems to come when they are either a) agitated (not a hard feat); or b) they gain some sort of power. And if we?re really geared for Armageddon, both a and b combine. Part of me seriously fears for religious diversity within this nation.
But. Anyway, noise is better:
The music of Star Field… reminds me of an updated/sophisticated version of the M*A*S*H theme. When I first listened to it, I was really moved?g your word choices are appropriately provoking. Immediately my head was on to what you were aiming… In those 3:40-odd seconds, my experience, my concerns were spoken. And in such a subtle, delicate, beautiful way…
All I can say is thank you.
Keep sparkin? Sparky. ;)
Susann
December 23rd, 2005 at 9:05 am
Hey Duncan and bloggers -
This is great that we can all discuss this topic. “Bad” christians are people that have always bothered me. I’ve been told many times by “bad” christians that I am going to burn in hell because I am a gay man. Yet it’s not a sin for them to cast judgement, get divorced, have adulterous affairs and molest children. Because they consider themselves “good” christians, there way is the only way. That’s sad.
Off topic a bit……I am curious to know though Duncan, and other buddists, do you celebrate Christmas? I admire the buddist faith but have to say that I am not aware of how they view Christmas. Would love to hear from some buddists about the topic. Thanks!
December 23rd, 2005 at 10:33 am
duncan,
thanks for explaining the song. it’s a reflection of your strong character. it is a shame that you ended up feeling the need to do that. to hear how some of you (topaz) have been hurt by the religion of some, breaks my heart.
i pray there’s a strong market for a voice like yours. thanks for not being swayed by “the market” or pandering to the lowest common denominator.
bless all of you this season…and be reminded of love.
bill
December 23rd, 2005 at 12:48 pm
I was just listening to the song and I thought it was a beautiful song.. as a song..the music is too new for me to deconstruct right now; I am simply enjoying the songs for what they are.. maybe after a few listens of the album, I will start analyzing the lyrics..
But for what it’s worth, I didnt find the line in the song about Christians to be offensive and the message was relatively clear, even without your explanations..
Of course, hearing from the songwriter what was driving particular lyrics is always interesting, but creates an interesting phenomenon - like videos.. Some people argue that seeing a video diminishes the listener’s experience, because instead of relying on self-generated imagery of what a song means visually to a listener, they are told what type of imagery to associate with a song by the artist/record company. The same thing here.. hearing what was behind your lyrics is personally interesting and valuable, but I wonder what people would have thought had you not unpacked it the way you did.. Maybe for the next unpacking, you should start by asking what people thought a particular line/lyric meant… I bet you’d find some interpretations that would blow you away!
Anywhooo.. dunc, I hope that you make videos for this album (the comments above notwithstanding).. because it is a vehicle to get your music out to more people, which you may or may not care about, but I have found that when I play your music for people, the vast majority become devoted fans..
I am a surgeon and play your music when I am operating.. All my nurses know your songs now, to the point where one came up to me last week and said - “Your Duncan is playing here in February!”
My point being that if you had videos and got some airplay on VH1, etc, more people would hear your music and become engaged around what you do.. It wouldnt be making videos for the singular sake of selling more records (not that that is bad), but for giving more people an opportunity to explore your music and enjoy you the way that all of us on this board do..
I hope you make some videos!
December 23rd, 2005 at 1:23 pm
Duncan, It’s YOUR song. And unfortunately we live in a world where you have to defend every little thing you do. I would think your fans would understand how kind and gentle you are.
Happy Holidays:)
December 23rd, 2005 at 7:50 pm
I won’t cover 98.6% of my views with the following statement, this is impossible. I want you to know I am neither offended or shocked by your honesty. I am relieved to find someone who agrees with me about christianity and the harm it’s teaching. Yes, I understand it’s imperative that I not generalize, or overlook the positive aspects of it, but the work has been neglected - put on hold and their is no substantial benefit without our continuing to build what has more than enough room to grow.
I have been wondering for a few years what religion I fit into. I hate to catagorize and conform, but this isn’t the reason I don’t. My rebellion is automatic because my soul does not agree with the way we are evolving and living (especially in America). The smallest details to another are the most important and profound details to me. At times, when I can really veiw myself, I understand that I don’t make much sense and easily confuse others. Partially because I have schizophrenia and partially my tongue could not possibly move as quickly as the messages I hear within. I can poke holes in christian teachings that would enrage it’s followers, not because they are offended but because they don’t want to be wrong. Hence they are wrong and making matters worse by allowing themselves to become one with their denial and resistence, refusing to change the programming of a follower who did not lnow the meaning of truth and logic. It gives birth to anger and this can be destructive to everyone, and in some cases produces a reaction that opposes the religion they are defending. If my spiritual beliefs are being questioned, it usually goes well. I am a taurus and automatically I’m stubborn. However, I like to think I’m strong-minded, secure in my beliefs, decisions, and actions, and I am silently fighting a war with the government that is preserving ownership of us all.
A glimpse from the menu at “food for thought”. This and more to be…….
In case I forget……Holidays for who? Corporate America? Wall St. or Madison Ave.?
December 24th, 2005 at 3:15 am
Duncan, Duncan, oh Duncan:
Why do you keep tryin to explain your lyrics? Stop that…. it personally makes me uncomfortable. If some people get offended by your lyrics…. well, maybe they should indeed feel offended. I mean, if the suit fits….. by all means, PUT IT ON AND LOOK AT YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR!!
One thing is for the listener, the beholder of the artwork/song/etc to say what they felt or what they got from the work (their personal experience, the final connection in the process of creating an artistic work). But for the creator to explain the what-why-who-when-where of what they were trying to convey in their work…specially in music, well…. there shouldn’t be a need for that, SPECIALLY not in music…..
Unless (and this is just speculation), by you pointing it out and claryfing each word of that “offending” line for the general public is more of a direct way to point out what you did to ruffle even more feathers?
Mmm…. must ponder!
And is not that I don’t care about finding or reading meaning in a song (on the contrary), or that I don’t appreciate the time and lenghts in which you try to connect with your fans and admirers (I actually love that -it is so sweet), but honey, your music is your music and yours alone, and I thank you for sharing your talent with us :D
Ok….. I’m off…
Merry Christmas everyone!
December 24th, 2005 at 3:23 am
or…. wait….
Duncan wrote:
“I hope I didn?t offend anyone who doesn?t deserve to be
offended at least a little bit : )”
Maybe I am right…. you’re indeed pointing it out to ruffle more feathers? hahahaha ;)
Prick! ;)
December 24th, 2005 at 10:59 am
http://www.reuters.hu/card_dom/index_content.html
Much love,
Michele :)
December 24th, 2005 at 1:54 pm
Just wanted to say I as a Catholic was not offended in the least. Love ya Duncan.
:),
Sybil
December 24th, 2005 at 7:29 pm
From what I read, alot of members weren’t offended by your controversial topic and rare POV. If I weren’t a CYNIC, I might believe everyone. However, I’m thinking reactions would differ if those words were from someone they loathe. The majority would not be understanding?
December 24th, 2005 at 7:59 pm
Oh Duncan,
You are the very Best, but you know that already. Of course alittle reinforment doesn’t ever hurt anyone. Let’s face it, you don’t need “Us” to tell you that. (Or do you?) Anyway, the very best wishes for you now at Christmas, for the New Year, and always Darling. May your heart be filled with much happiness, joy, peace, and may you be surrounded by the Souls who mean the very most to you….. You are one of the very best human beings out there. I know at night, that you can rest easily like me. :) Your the BEST!!!!!!! You know how very much I love you…
I cannot wait to grace your presence again…..
Much love,
Michele XO
December 24th, 2005 at 8:00 pm
God…we need spell check here…
Reinforcement :) well maybe it’s the 4 shots of Stoli talking..lol
December 25th, 2005 at 3:04 am
After reading these posts for the past few days, I finally decided to add my two cents…
I know it’s easy to always blame the media for everything these days, but I really feel that they play a key part in this “good vs. bad” people. How many times do you watch the news or read the paper and see positive stories? Almost never. I’d say 90% of the news is something negative or something trivial like so and so are getting divorced. It’s almost enough to lose your faith in mankind. I feel that if more positive stories were told it would make a big impact on how everyday people live their lives. It’s like that song goes…”Accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative…” Of course, I think we still need to hear about some of the bad and negative news, because there are some important stories to know about, but I think there should be a better balance of good and bad.
Regardless of your religion or faith, everyone has the potential to be a good person. Usually just the smallest things can mean the most to people.
Doesn’t it just totally make your day when a friend or even a complete stranger, pays you a compliment? Or when someone lets you go ahead of them in the line at the grocery store? You never know how much something like that might mean to them at that time, even though it may seem like such a simple thing to you. It may have a bigger impact on them than you could ever expect!
“Happy Christmas to all and to all a good night!”
:) - Tammy
December 25th, 2005 at 6:33 pm
What I find so refreshing about the lyrics is that they are so multilayered that there are many interpretations possible, based on our own experiences. We all “get” something different from these, which is sooo cool. It sure beats the heck out of the “I love you baby, ya ya ya” type droll…
don’t feel as though you owe anyone anything (which you already know) but we appreicate soooo very much when you shed light on your meaning and intentions.
December 25th, 2005 at 9:28 pm
peace and hope … to love one another.
merry christmas.
December 26th, 2005 at 4:47 pm
Splendid Duncan. Your thoughts and words ring with truth, humor and empathy. You’re unfettered honesty is equally refreshing. Opening the closed minds is what this piece says to me… sharing the wisdom of your heart is kind beyond measure. Many thanks.
December 28th, 2005 at 9:38 am
Duncan, Brotha, Compadre, Homie, Chap, stop defending yourself. Just let the song be what it is. If I listen to a lyric and get a little mad with you about it, let me fester, I’ll get over it. Don’t let the winers and weepers of the blogs and chat-rooms make you crumble into submission.
Now, don’t get me wrong, I love you, love you like I love my cousins. The music you’ve brought into my life has made you a psuedo-family member (does this make any sense?). But because you’re a psuedo-cousin, I gotta be upfront with you. I don’t see your explaining yourself as an act of praise-worthy intelligence, I see it as weakness. If you wanted to dedicate a section of your site to explications of your lyrics, then fine, great, at least it’s somewhat of your own valition. But, to jump to explanations when someone says boo-hoo tells me that maybe you weren’t ready to start making such bold statements in your lyrics just yet. There’s always going to be people who misintereperet, or take things at face-value, including me, you, and every other human being on this blog. In my opinion, your defensive responses don’t seem all that sincere anyway, as if you hate the fact that you’re defending yourself. Well, stop defending yourself, and let it be. You put it out there for the world, now let it take its course. The same piece of music is supposed to mean different things to different people, let it do that, don’t explain it.
The above comments are my opinion and that is all. Duncan, much love cous’
~Sad Steven
p.s. my apologies for spelling miskates : )
December 28th, 2005 at 11:11 am
Your blog entry falls in line with one of the great ironies of our nature. Our relationship with God which is intended to enrich our lives but it’s the one thing that divides us most as human beings. History has shown more wars fought on religious principles than for any other reason. Even now, war, political battles, and many acts of inhumanity are daily whether by groups pushing their belief systems, polocies, or Gods supremacy. Every religion has sects they believe are just a little more right than anyone else. Even various churches, synagogues, and temples have found differences among its members. But every religion no matter how different they appear are very much the same. Every religion is pretty clear about how one should behave towards another. But so often the social reaction to teachings displace the spiritual concept. Sleeper Cell on showtime is a perfect example of how people are motivated by a belief that has been vulgarized from its true nature. All to often people set out on a road to inner peace then become victims by people who set out to use and abuse them. Many are trying to get to heaven by religious conversion but it is not a religious conversion it is the oppertunity to bring spirit to others. One of the greatest gifts one can give to another.
December 28th, 2005 at 3:49 pm
Hmm…I hardly see that post as crumbling into submission, but it’s an interesting intrepretation of Duncan’s interpretation. :b I’m always a little amazed(and amused) by everyone’s reactions to what Duncan has to say on here.
I myself enjoyed the post. I like hearing what’s behind the lyrics of a song. And I get the impression that DS enjoys discussing topics that he feels passionately about…such as religion, politics, music, whatever…and this is a good place for him to voice his opinions, and to hear other’s opinions in return. There’s a lot going on in our world right now, and I think these things SHOULD be discussed. And maybe he does care just a little bit about what his fans think. I think that’s a good thing, not bad or weak.
Soooo, in my opinion, he’s more or less sharing his thoughts because the topic came up, rather than crumbling and defending. And no, I’m not defending Duncan, just sharing MY thoughts. :) Well, actually, I guess I am defending him a bit…
Laura
December 29th, 2005 at 11:11 pm
Can you please switch to that “Sweet” next Song?
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December 30th, 2005 at 1:08 am
A Couple of Days Late…
Cool:
http://www.jacquielawson.com/viewcard.asp?code=0212320003
December 30th, 2005 at 4:02 pm
I’m not offended by what you say! But what you say is completely wrong. People like Tom Delay are no different then lets say Hillary Clinton. They both are passionate about their beliefs that they would bend the rules to achieve their objectives i.e. buying certain stocks and aligning themselves with political groups and causes. Do I think these acts are wrong? Yes. Are they illegal? No.
Mission Accomplished, not yet. Although I think you are being unfair to President Bush because that speech was about toppling the Former Iraqi regime in which we have definitely accomplished that mission. When it comes to Iraq you are a complete hypocrite. You profess your beliefs about spreading peace and giving the unfortunate fortune but when it comes to acting upon that belief you do nothing but criticize those who take action to bring about peace. Why do you think America has so many freedoms? It’s because of the soldier. Why do you think democracies exist all over the world? The Soldier. The reason why you can travel all around this country singing songs and can call names to different political groups is because a soldier fought and died to give you that freedom. Freedom wasn’t just handed to the people who enjoy it. It was and still is paid for by the sacrifices our military makes. Peace through strength!
How come you choose to ignore all the good things that have happened in Iraq? For starters the many millions of people who voted under eminent threat of death. How many people do you think would vote in this country if terrorists where threatening to blow up polling places? They got 70% of their electorate to do it, not once, not twice, but three times. What about all the schools and hospitals we have erected in the rock and ruble that was once in its place. What about the parts of the country that is now receiving running water and electricity. Parts of the country that have never seen it before. What about the economy that is now producing oil and making money. Sadam Hussein didn’t do all this! Terrorists didn’t build hospitals and build schools where children can learn! We did this with the help of the Iraqis. How come you don’t sing or write a song about that. You don’t because it doesn?t’ fit with your nice tidy view of the world were terrorists give hugs not suicide bombers and were a soldier is a toy figurine that children play with. What you choose to ignore is that there are people in this world that want nothing but to see us all dead and would delight in killing themselves in order to do so. I?m am proud and glad that President Bush has the resolve and the courage to confront the evil of our time.
The bible says that the Shepard must tend to his sheep and at time fend off the wolves. You don?t fend off the wolves by being nice to them and feeding them treats. You fend off the wolves by fighting them and make sure they know the consequences for attacking your sheep.
Ryan
December 30th, 2005 at 4:41 pm
I did some research into this Tom DeLay, and he is one of the most Corrupt People out there. I couldn’t find anything about his Political viewpoints.
The other Guy seems to be a Writer on the New York Times Best-Seller List, but who knows what he’s writing either. I have not read his books….I did however see the picture that he Paints for the World, as far as Jesus is concerned. Many would beg to differ with his viewpoints as well…
I do believe we must takes appropriate steps to protect ourselves, however peaceful, only if they can be. The World is a very Fragile thing and yes the threats are here among us in our own Country. We must try Peaceful efforts, all of us the World over…..but if push comes to shove, then……What are we left with?
December 30th, 2005 at 4:56 pm
That is to say the Christian’s which Mr. Tim LaHaye depicts, surely aren’t peaceful loving Christian’s. I’m not willing to just lay down and die, but this World and it’s Leaders need to try more Humane, Peaceful efforts to get things right. That may never be able to be done, when your dealing with a People (s) whom have such opposite beliefs and are willing to die and kill, well- for No reason. We still must try to get them to understand that Peace, love and understanding for eachother is a better choice. We must all work together in this effort. Killing one another Never is going to work, ultimately. We cannot stand to keep loosing more and more of our Brothers and Sisters the World over. No, the answers are not east, and they are hard to find. The solutions are even harder to find, but as long as Wars prevail, the fighting will never cease. We need to fin a common ground, by which all People can live and survive. We need to think of the future of the World, not just ourselves, and how much we have. Without hope and peace, we have nothing. We must make intelligent decisions, not hot headed, violent, ones. Everyone as a right to live and survive. We are all in this together. I hope we can all work towards this Effort!!!!
December 30th, 2005 at 5:48 pm
This Guy has some good ideas:
Listen to his Lecture:
http://www.president.rutgers.edu/dalailama/video.shtml
December 30th, 2005 at 6:23 pm
Ryan, I think we all believe that the supressed people of the world should receive help. But, THIS war was sold to us as a search for weapons of mass destruction…a war against a terrorist nation that supported the attacks of 9/11, and who might use these weapons they supposedly had against us. All of this turned out to be a lie by the Bush administration…they manipulated data to gain support for a war for our president’s personal or unknown agenda. This war was never about liberating the people of Iraq.
A question for you…Do you feel it is America’s place to sacrifice lives in order to change the world to our view of democracy? So, any nation with a goverment that has perceived injustices put upon it’s population, we should attack them to protect the sheep and promote democracy?
And regarding your last comments, America’s world policy is not based on one religious text. I assume you were using the bible quote as a mere example and not a literal translation…The war in Iraq was a pre-emptive war with false pretenses. Never was it to liberate the people of Iraq. How can you justify this war based on these facts?
Laura
December 30th, 2005 at 7:39 pm
We’re talking about human beings, not wolves, Ryan. Read up on your 20th century middle east history, then you’ll see who the real wolves are.
DS
December 30th, 2005 at 8:39 pm
thats what i thought it meant…me being a muslim and hope a good one and yea you basically summed the good and bad part..no offense here….love the cd
December 30th, 2005 at 11:10 pm
Well said Ryan! I love it when someone has the balls and brains to stand up to all the lefties around here and their Michael Moore talking points.
Duncan, the “people” in question aren’t human beings… Human beings don’t fly airplanes into buildings to try to kill tens of thousands of innocent people and they don’t cut innocent people’s heads off with dull machetes while they scream for mercy. Those things are animals, actually worse than animals and they deserve whatever they get… my apologies to the PETA crowd for offending our four legged friends :-)
Andrew
December 30th, 2005 at 11:23 pm
blackwuzzy - “We need to fin a common ground, by which all People can live and survive.”
Unfortunately, unless you’re ready to not wear anything but a burka in public and give up your right to get an education that’s not going to happen. They’ve made it perfectly clear that there is no compromise, they want the entire world to live like they do and believe what they believe, and they’re willing to die for that cause. We have to fight, their is no alternative.
Andrew
December 30th, 2005 at 11:35 pm
Topaz - “All of this turned out to be a lie by the Bush administrationthey manipulated data to gain support for a war for our president?s personal or unknown agenda.”
- A lie means that GWB knew that there were no WMDs and he misled people to believe there were… Do you really believe he KNEW that and if so how did he get that information? Clinton thought there were WMDs when he started bombing Iraq the day before the House impeachment vote which delayed the impeachment vote. He continued the bombing throughout all the days of the impeachment vote. Only an hour or two after the House impeachment vote ended, Clinton ended the bombing, saying, “We have achieved our objectives.”
December 31st, 2005 at 12:59 am
Michael Moore is a douche bag. A friend of mine and I were talking about him yesterday and he said “Michael Moore takes editorialism to the point of being reckless.” I think that’s a pretty good way to put it. That said, this war was most certainly sold to the American people on false pretenses.
I am most certainly not a fan of the guy sitting in the White House right now, but I cannot stand people like Michael Moore. That was directed at agaraffa. As far as Ryan goes, I do not think anyone here would argue that terrorists are okay and the people in the Middle East should just be left alone under opression.
- Russell
December 31st, 2005 at 1:02 am
Here’s a different perspective on why we are in Iraq. It’s not about WMDs, and it’s not about freeing people from an evil dictator……….it’s about oil. Combine that with Bush’s Christian beliefs of the Armageddon, and it all starts to make sense.
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net
L
December 31st, 2005 at 1:16 am
If you guys are unwilling to acknowlege the fact that “our side” has committed countless atrocities as well in the name of “our” ideology, than this is going to be a useless discussion. Whether it’s Iran in the 1950’s under Mossadeq, El Savador in the 80’s, or East Timor, America has contributed to an enormous amount of human suffering that very few seem willing to take responsibility for. No one here is saying that muslim extremeists are justified in their actions. But if you think it’s all black and white you are seriously deluding yourself.
DS
December 31st, 2005 at 1:46 am
I hate to say this, but I think it all has to do with Money. Our Leader’s are willing to let our Fine Souls die over there for the Cause of Money and Business, Greed, then - and Yes then, for the cause of Democracy but secondly.
If that is true and primarily I think it is, then it’s a very sick World we live in. I would still, like to give All People the benefit of the doubt. It is still the humane thing to do. (Having studied and having an understanding of Ethics, Philosophy, Psychology, History, and related issues of the World, Human Emotion’s, Cognitive Issues, Eastern Philosophy, World Civilizations, World Literature, including the different Holy Texts) Come to think of it, my Teach didn’t really go into Hindo Religions, but) I do like to give all People, the benefit of the doubt. I mean all People. How you deal with the “Problems of Society” is well another very big problem. (That can be left up to various Professionals in the fields)
It’s the New Year almost. Maybe together People All over could come to better terms. If a person has any Education at all, they should see that this Is The Only Sensible Thing to do. (*** Not Killing & Fighting***) If we could only get these People to SEE. Why must you Believe that everyone is Bad? It seems to me that most Religions out there do preach non peaceful means on some occasions, but a true understanding of a real realized life, is one that seeks the same goals, but by Peaceful means. Is Mankind that Crazy I ask you? I know it is an impossible task, but only if there were a way. Not Everyone is Bad, in all People you have very Bad Eggs. Then, you have the sparkling gems and those all the way in between.
There will always be the fighter’s, the ones who don’t care, the ones who say they care but don’t, the ones who say nothing, but think things, the one’s who think nothing…and the one’s who try to and do care about Fellow Humankind first. We must try to help these People, in order to help ourselves.
Why attack eachother here, (at this site) only because of different viewpoints? That makes no sense. Just explain your position and why, but don’t attack eachother. Let’s look at everyone’s thoughts. We must live together. Listen Guy’s were not stupid. Of course, no one wants to take a Bloody, Deadly Path, if they can consider other possible ways to Peace.
Atleast that is what I would think. :)
December 31st, 2005 at 1:50 am
BUT, Duncan you must remember that we are not the only ones who have committed atrocities in the name of their ideologies, i.e., Hitler, the Japanese, et al.
YES, America has committed more than its share of suffering because of this, but we are not alone. Does this make our behavior justifiable? Absolutely not. We should be the ones standing up and setting an example that the world would be proud to follow. Unfortunately, the world views us for the most part as hyprocrites.
I personally agree with you that this war was started for reasons other than what was meted out on the evening news. We will probably never know the real motivation(s)
I read a book called “Understand Iraq” last year, and although some of it is simplified, the one thing I came away with is the startling differences between the Middle Eastern cultures and our own. How can we fight an “enemy” when our fundamental ways of thinking are so divergent? I have always heard that in order to defeat your enemies, you must think like them. I can tell you here and now unquestionably, that we will never think like them and vice versa.
Of course none of this is black or white, that is garbage. To make that stance just shows ignorance of the situation. This is a very complex, many sided issue. Hell, the whole Mid East is complex long before we got involved.
With all of that being said, it does us no good at this point to stand around wringing our hands and pointing fingers. What exactly can we do then? I don’t know. I wish I had the answer to that…
December 31st, 2005 at 1:58 am
Everyone Duncan does have to take responsibility for themselves.
I believe that we all pay in the end somehow. We cannot be blind to such Attrocities, no matter where they are comitted in our World. I’m sorry to say that yes, alot are comitted here in our own Country. We’ve made alot of bad mistakes…that is the “People in Power.” We have to keep an eye on them. This is where our Freedoms and rights come in. Certainly, one wrong, doesn’t make another wrong a right?
It’s a very hard thing to get People to feel Compassion in their Hearts Duncan. If only they knew. :)
December 31st, 2005 at 2:17 am
What we need to do is recognize the mistakes we have made Number One in our Country and abroad.
Number two— Don’t keep making them.
Number Three—Stop the People and Leaders from making them. (They should not be making Big Mistakes or thier Idiots) but
(By not remaining quiet about such attrocities, etc. Voicing ourselves and our Opinions, as you did and we’re doing)
Number Four - We all need to take more Positive, Peaceful Actions & Steps towards allevianting these problems here and all over the World. As the Dalai Lama said in effect, It’s really not us and them, or them or I. What effects the People of the World directly effects us. We are all interconnected. People just don’t see it this way. They have to understand that when they hurt us, they are hurting themselves and vice-versa.
I think we all have to be more civilized.
Number Five—But should Be #One—-We All Need To Work Together!!!!!
Ashame the World cannot be a Peaceful Place. Maybe if we work harder towards that Cause.
December 31st, 2005 at 4:13 am
There were several questions posed in which I will have several answers for. Reasons for why went to war with Iraq. Let me give to some facts you may or may not know. The United States wasn’t the only country in the world that thought Sadam Hussein has WMD’s. In fact Germany, Spain, Italy, Russia, France, Britain, Sweden, Libya, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Ireland, and pretty much every other intelligence agency in the world thought he had weapons of mass destruction. In fact event the corrupt U.N. thought he had them. So to call President Bush a liar and to say he made up intelligence just doesn’t quite make sense. While I will agree with you that WMD’s were the Primary reason for war, liberating the Iraqi People was no secret for a reason to invade before the war started. Since I am such a nice guy and you think I am probably crazy here’s just a view quotes from the presidents State of the Union Address on January 28th, 2003:
And tonight I have a message for the brave and oppressed people of Iraq: Your enemy is not surrounding your country — your enemy is ruling your country. And the day he and his regime are removed from power will be the day of your liberation.
And as we and our coalition partners are doing in Afghanistan, we will bring to the Iraqi people food and medicines and supplies — and freedom.
Those are just a few quotes there are ton more from other speeches all prior to invasion that talk about the liberation of the Iraqi people being one of several reasons for invasion. You talk about the countless atrocities that our nation has committed. Sure we have done some horrible things in our nation?s history, no doubt, but we have done infinitely more good than bad. In Bush?s presidency alone we have freed 50,000,000 people in Iraq and Afghanistan. American has defeated communism, fascism, and totalitarianism in World War I, World War II, and the Cold war. We have donated more money and resources than any other country in the world to help fight aids in Africa. When a Tsunami hits half way around the world, who responds? America! When there is an earthquake in Mexico, who gives aid? America! When a country needs medical supplies and money to help feed their citizens, who gives the most? America! Don?t be apart of the Blame America first crowd because that will not get anywhere.
By the way I do now my history 20th century middle east history. I know that we put a few of those bastards over there in power which is a mistake that we are fixing but to say that the terrorists aren?t wolves is foolish. These terrorist would love to walk into the middle of one of your antiwar rallies and blow themselves up to kill you. These people don?t just hate America the hate freedom and democracies. Why do you think they attacked Spain, Lebanon, Israel, and start riots in France, it?s because they hate all democracies.
I enjoy the debate. You all are wonderful people with beautiful minds and big hearts. I am glad that you have the opinions you have because it allows for accountability but don?t disguise accountability for stupidity and blind belief. Have the courage and strength of a lion and the heart of dove!
~Ryan
December 31st, 2005 at 6:00 am
Still with the finger pointing and drawing lines in sand?
Good lord. (no pun, I’m still PC)
This is beginning to really frustrate my little head.
Man is man’s enemy. We’ve conquered all other beasts, save ourselves.
Conflict is nature- without friction, nothing would be.
Taking those to tidbits and mixing them up…
Since we only have our enemies within ourselves, and we know that conflict between each other (for whatever reason) is inevitable… shouldn’t we be able to anticipate? Shouldn’t the resolution be in that?
But I suppose that means nothing in the eyes of willful power.
I know I’m being a tired, cynical and condecsending… but come. on.
Isn’t it time to “man-up” and deal with the problems at hand? The past has passed. Let it go. Somewhere, somehow we all (every side of the line- even up and down if you wanna inject religion) got our feet wet?g now, we have to concentrate on getting them dry again.
December 31st, 2005 at 6:01 am
(cont.)
That’s the super important part of all of this. How can we act as noble as possible, given this situation? Is it right to leave the Mid East like it is in this moment? Or should it be two years from now? Ten? Should we just occupy? Is there an answer that cut-and-dry?
As far as atrocties are concerned: look at how this nation was settled.
This country was wrought with blood in the hope of Westernizing indigenous peoples. And by Westernizing, I mean spreading the “good word…” Don’t take that wrong- (ah defense!) Christians have some very redeeming qualities… but the absolute pucky that has been done in the name of Christ… the mass murders, the wars. The same could be said for Muslims. Hell, any faith- including Buddhists and Hindus. It’s an old story; this’ just history repeating, folks.
Uh. Frustrated.
Bottomline: stop with the fingers. If we weren’t so busy concerning ourselves with being right, or defending why we aren’t wrong, maybe our informed minds could help concoct a solution.
Off to find the bed.
Over and out,
Susann
December 31st, 2005 at 6:14 am
“…Read up on your 20th century middle east history…” Am afraid one has to dig up much further than that to completely grapple the situation.
The problems of Islam with modernity goes back about 500 years…here are two excellent/easy read about the historical roots of resentment that is pervasive in the Islamic world…”The Crisis of Islam” and “What Went Wrong” both by Bernard Lewis.
Ryan, thank you for sharing…I do have more to say, but better save it for tomorrow when thoughts are much more crystal clear :D I do not want to sound obnoxious, lol…and plus, with what I really want to say right now may just be enough cause to get booted off the blog. :-)
Goodnight/Goodrest,
Leveriza
December 31st, 2005 at 9:02 am
Lets discuss our “wonderful” government for a minute here….
We have a commander in chief who attacked a nation based on a lie. There is NO denying… anywhere… that there were NO WMD’s in Iraq. Other nations may have agreed with the (woefully misnamed) intelligence, but Georgie Boy was the one who spearheaded this…
W also continues to support the torture of human beings. Torture should NEVER be an option under any circumstances.
The man is a full blown hypocrite. The same man who says “all life is precious” when it comes to abortion is the same man who is willing to kill hundreds of American men and women, iraqi men and women and children in the name of “freedom and justice.”
George Bush continues to support his “buddies.” Tom Delay, Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, Bill Frist…. the list goes on. When he thought there was no connection to the CIA leak to HIS administration he was puffed chest and ready to “deal with” anyone who did it. Now it IS his adminstration and he refuses to discuss it now…. “an ongoing investigation.”
I don’t buy the “They Hate America for our freedom” line, either. Poverty stricken people don’t attack McDonald’s because they hate them for having hamburgers.
SADAAM DID NOT ATTACK THE US ON 9-11. I get sick to my stomach everytime W mentions 9-11 in a speech about Iraq and I find it a terrible injustice to those who DID die in 9-11 that he STILL hasn’t got Bin Laden. He has basically FORGOTTEN Osama…. how many times in the past 2 years has the name even come out of his mouth?
Remember when he vowed we would find the ones responsible for 9-11? Remember how it wasn’t Osama? What was his next step? Go after Sadaam Hussein….
WTF???
December 31st, 2005 at 11:13 am
Let’s assume our president and his staff did believe the information on WMD was true and that the Bush people did believe that the invasion of Iraq was for the pre-emptive defense of our country against the terrorist responsible for the attacks on 9/11 (even though alot of information has come out against this). There were no weapons, Iraq was not implicated as supporting the terrorists, it appears that even in a best case scenario (no hidden agendas by the Bush administration), that this war was a mistake. Nobody is perfect, mistakes are allowed. What is really amazing is this administration denial of any sort of problem or mistake. Intelligent people can assimilate facts and change their stand, opinion or policy based on the new information, and not bull ahead with blinders on that all is going well. We should admit our mistake and try to minimize the damage that was caused.
The justification of war based on the liberation of an oppressed populace is a dangerous precedent to set. Who gets to decide what is considered oppression? Which country should we invade next? Which government should we topple next? We would through military strength be forcing our beliefs on other people. Sounds a little scary to me. This thinking could keep the war machine going for quite some time.
I believe our country does do many good deeds around the world, but I dont see how this has any relevance to our situation in Iraq.
I believe we are the best nation in the world and I would never want to live any where else but I still dont see how that justifies this war in Iraq.
The UN was set to be a world peace keeping body. By having numerous members and therefore numerous opinions a consensus was to be determined and solutions to injustices rectified through peaceful means (economic sanctions, etc.) if all else fails military options would be a last resort. When the Bush administration went to the UN for support of this war, it was not supported. All the other nations with the so called information and knowledge of Sadaam’s WMD decided to try options other than invasion and the loss of many lives on both sides. The administration then went against the UN and formed its own coalition which was mostly American forces anyway. I dont see that as cooperation, more like bullying our own agenda without regards to world opinion of the US (a long term effect we will probably feel for at least a generation).
I think the world would respect a leader that could admit mistakes and take responsibility for his actions.
Thanks for listening sorry for the run ons.
Carl
December 31st, 2005 at 12:09 pm
Let’s not forget that he got into his position because he is a bigot. (And so are, apparantely, more than half of the residents of this country.) This is forgetting the fact that he lost the first election and still ended up in office.
If you break down the electoral college, it was really just established because American people were too stupid and couldn’t be trusted to determine the outcome of an election all on their own. It’s sort of funny how we were smart enough in the first election, but the electoral college decided we weren’t and we got Bush, but in the second one we kind of just proved them right.
- Russell
December 31st, 2005 at 2:07 pm
Ryan (and the rest of the Borg),
Are you sure you are not working for the W? regime? You?ve rationalized the Iraqi war better than our own government has (now that isn?t saying much). Calling someone a liberal because they oppose an illegitimate war is asinine.
The real question you should be asking yourself is ?g Why do I support a regime that uses lies and counts on the ignorance of its populace to push big corporation agenda, even when it means the lives of thousands of Americans??
Throughout your writing you use the word they. I assume you are describing the Arab fanatic intent on bringing the Jihad to our front door. The logical jump that I?ve been unable to make however is-how are those fanatics linked to the Iraq war? *coughsputterahem* There is not a concrete link unless you just lump all Arabs into the they category?hsomething your wolves and sheep analogy seems to do well. Who is to say that we aren?t the wolves?
Have you ever sat down and pondered the hard questions? Why would anyone want to commit the atrocities of September 11? Did these well planned, well financed, acts of hatred actually make a statement?
I am by no means giving justification to terrorism. However, as compassionate and thoughtful human beings we must take a moment to consider the reality of the world that we live in. The sociopolitical issues that surround the making of a fanatic go far beyond the simple terrorist terminology. The recently released movie Syriana? tries to point out some of these complex truths.
The sad truth is that for any lasting positive change to be made in the Middle East Americans will have to give up some of the amenities that we take for granted. We are a capsizing consumerist society fueled by commercialistic greed. We sacrifice others to feed our bloated lifestyles. I say we? because I am an American. The luxuries that I take for granted are bought and paid for by the men and women on both sides of the conflict. I rejoice with religious zeal when gas drops below 2.15 a gallon (yes, I live in California *grin*).
I can?t solely blame Bush for this debacle, although his annoying hick drawl and Wild West antics make me cringe. I can?t hide behind the fact that I did not vote for him, nor share his conservative socio-political views that make my skin crawl.
Americans must take responsibility for their actions, both intended and unintended. We live in one of the most influential societies in human history. It is unacceptable to maintain the moniker of ignorance by rationalizing away our faults. Why not prove to the world that we are compassionate people that do believe in true freedom. Maybe then
In a world of maybes there are no easy answers. I am not suggesting that we give up looking for them. But maybe the answers lie in correcting our own society before bringing freedom to a country whose culture is so markedly different than our own.
In closing, I want to address the much abused clich? freedom isn?t free. There has never been a time when this statement has held more truth than now. However, perhaps the sacrifice that we must make is not the collective flesh and blood of the soldiers who die every day in Iraq. Is it illogical to question what personal sacrifices each one of us must make to bring the dream of freedom to the rest of the world?
This question makes me uncomfortable because I enjoy my life. I enjoy my excess. I enjoy spending money on entertainment even when I know that money can best be spent saving human lives. Until I am willing to sacrifice my own comfort I can not, in good conscience, use the justification that freedom isn?t free.
December 31st, 2005 at 2:40 pm
- Carl, I completely agree that more people would respect Bush if he were to actually take responsibility for his mistakes. I have a hard time seeing that happen. The closest he has come to admitting a mistake was after Katrina, and even then he stopped short of taking responsibility. I’m also with you in that the good deeds this government does have no bearing on the illegality of the war in Iraq.
- Re: Tom DeLay: a jury will decide whether his actions were illegal. I personally think the man is a crook.
- Peace through strength? Well, I suppose it IS technically peace if everyone is dead. Peace through domination is slightly different than peace through cooperation. I agree that sometimes certain nations/groups can’t really be dealt with, but Iraq was certainly not one of those cases. Saddam was completely under control, even though he did continue to oppress and torture Iraqi dissidents. He knew that if he made any sort of stupid, aggressive move that he would be crushed immediately.
- Democracies, just like every other type of states in this wicked world, have been built on death, war, terror, and sometimes ethnic cleansing. Screw Machiavelli - the ends do not justify the means.
- “They got 70% of their electorate to do it, not once, not twice, but three times.” What does voting even mean? Plenty of totalitarian systems have empty-gesture-elections. Simply holding an election is not going to solve anything. Voting for a candidate who can’t release too much information about his platform because of security concerns is not going to give people water, food, and electricity. What it does do is undermine the political power that terrorist/insurgent groups are attempting to grab, but it only works so well. You can’t just hold elections and expect everything to fix itself.
- “What about all the schools and hospitals we have erected in the rock and ruble that was once in its place.” You mean the rock and rubble that was created when American bombs came falling through the sky? And how many schools and hospitals have we built? What’s the rough estimate?
- “What about the parts of the country that is now receiving running water and electricity. Parts of the country that have never seen it before.” I’ve never heard of this one before, that we’ve been giving water and electricity to previously isolated areas of the country. What I keep hearing instead is that cities and towns that DID have water and electricity have been cut off from those resources so many times that people are getting incredibly pissed off. Then there’s that story about the military cutting off water and electricity in Tall Afar, Fallujah, and Samarra.
- “I love it when someone has the balls and brains to stand up to all the lefties around here and their Michael Moore talking points.” For the record, Andrew, I think Michael Moore is dishonest and uses the same tactics people like Bill O’Reilly use: he takes half-truths and stretches them to the point of absurdity and refuses to acknowledge that he’s full of crap when confronted. No Michael Moore talking points for me, thank you very much. :)
- “Unfortunately, unless you?re ready to not wear anything but a burka in public and give up your right to get an education that?s not going to happen.” This cloudy, all-encompassing “they” don’t really care what I personally do, so long as my I don’t go into their countries and tell them their way of life is completely wrong. The question is whether individual people should be held responsible for the actions of their government. The answer to that question seems to shift around based on the context, since it’s too complicated to answer with an emphatic yes or no.
- “They?ve made it perfectly clear that there is no compromise, they want the entire world to live like they do and believe what they believe, and they?re willing to die for that cause. We have to fight, their is no alternative.” You know what scares me? This statement sounds like something you might hear from an al-Qaeda operative warning recruits about the evils of the Western world. I don’t mean to offend you. I’d just like to point out that the ideologies are not as different as everyone might want to believe.
- Documents from the British government prove that Blair had to know there were no WMDs in Iraq. Does anyone honestly think Blair kept this minor detail to himself? Read the Downing Street memos. There are more documents that say the invasion would most likely be perceived as illegal under international law. It was clear that Saddam Hussein had no nuclear weapons and that any biological or chemical weapons that he still could have possibly had were of absolutely no use. UN weapons inspectors knew it, too.
- As for foreign aid, the United States is behind countries like Norway and Sweden if you look at it as percentage of GDP. Unfortunately, a lot of the promises the United States makes are broken thanks to budget cuts. The figures Bush gives in his State of the Union address are never the final numbers. Yes, the United States does give a significant amount of foreign aid, but how much more goes to bombing the hell out of third world peasants?
- By the way, the riots in France had very little to do with Muslim extremism, even though it is starting to gain ground among disaffected youth. The problem has to do with a lost generation being told they’re not French because they’re black/Arab/Muslim and not Arab/Muslim because they’re second or third generation French citizens. Then there’s also the problem of poverty, inability to escape these ghettos, marginalization, and discrimination (especially on the part of the police).
- Duncan, as for El Salvador, East Timor, etc. :
“If George Bush were to be judged by the standards of the Nuremberg Tribunals, he’d be hanged. So too, mind you, would every single American President since the end of the second world war, including Jimmy Carter.” - Noam Chomsky :)
Try saying something positive about Henry Kissinger in Latin America. Or Cambodia, for that matter. Unless you’re talking to fascists who miss people like Pinochet and Videla, people will either be horrified or excuse your ignorance of his war crimes as a product of growing up in a country that at worst loves the man and at best simply excuses his actions. That frustration seems to be symbolic of how some people feel about the United States’ human rights record. Sadly, I darfurnitely don’t think the situation has improved since Kissinger left office.
- I understand how people can justify invading Iraq for human rights reasons. What I don’t understand is how people can deny that Bush lied about terrorism and weapons of mass destruction to send soldiers into that mess. Would the public had supported the invasion had Bush said, “Well, he doesn’t have any weapons that could threaten us, nor was he involved in aiding the terrorists responsible for 9/11…but he’s a really mean guy who likes to torture people and murder those who disagree with him!” instead of going for the national security angle? Of course not. So now we’re stuck in a war that was a mistake from the get-go after being lied to and manipulated by the Commander in Chief who was elected both times by a very slim margin. To make matters worse, we find out (a year later than we should have!) that his government has been breaking the FISA law by spying on US persons without court approval. This is simply inexcusable. When in history has the President admitted to an impeachable offense? I miss the days when all the President broke was his marriage vows. At least he was screwing just one American.
- Maria
December 31st, 2005 at 3:27 pm
Very true …just one american or a limited few, but what i cannot understand is how someone, anyone thinks they have the right to alter a whole population or society….to me that doesnt make sense……
also i only read one or a few ppl mention oil…that is prob the most important factor in this war….and to us it is useless but hey bush still gets his oil…..
plus…now its syria and lybia….anyone think more of this?
i am not justifiying a particular side or anything bc i just couldnt….it would be biased no matter which side i choose, plus it doesnt make sense to choose….but just thinking about this entire situation and just puzzles me…
December 31st, 2005 at 4:50 pm
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One year now
Since that dark, dark day
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*LET There Be Peace!!!!
December 31st, 2005 at 5:58 pm
Because no one’s mentioned it, happy new year. To everyone.
May all expectations of yourself (and the world) be realized in the coming months. Celebrate with safety, and get a delicious smooch at twelve! :)
Much love to you all. No matter what (or especially because of the) ideas you’ve got swimming. :D
Ps. Have a wonderful show tonight Duncan; I’m extremely jealous of those who get to spend tonight in the presence of your amps. What a fabulous way to ring in the new year!
Be safe. Play well. Enjoy the night.
And if you must, keep with the jumping jacks. ;)
Susann
December 31st, 2005 at 6:56 pm
Wow well here we go again. A few things I must correct you all on again. Have any of you watched any of the president’s speeches as of lately? I didn’t think so! He gave 5 speeches this month on prime time! Did you know that? If you guys had watched them you would know that what you guys are saying doesn’t make any sense! In on of his speeches he actually admits that there was flawed intelligence, but there was no way of knowing that at that time! If Tony Blair thought there where no weapons of mass destruction, why did he still sign on to the Iraqi War? He did because he thought there was. As far as I am concerned there is no question that he had weapons of mass destruction because he used Serine gas on the Kuwaitis in 1991. That?s a documented fact and video evidence proved that Sadam did this!
As far as the UN goes, we got the UN to unanimously pass resolution 1440 which stated that Sadam hand over his WMD’s or provide evidence that he destroyed them, which by the way he did neither, or the UN will invade his country and disarm him. You say Sadam was controlled (this statement is just funny). He ignored UN resolutions for 12 years after Kuwait in 1991. Not to mention that he was stealing billions of dollars from the food for oil program that was supposed to go and feed his citizens he was starving to death. He even used some of that money to buy votes from Russia, France, and Germany to block the invasion of his country. And to say that Sadam didn?t support terrorism is just plain absurd. The man would pay out 25,000 US (which is tons of money over in that region) dollars to any family that would sacrifice one of their kids to blow themselves up in Israel. The guy gave Abu Musab Al Sawiri the second in command in Al Queada safe haven before the invasion of Iraq. So don’t tell me the guy didn’t support terrorism. MI-6 (which is Britain intelligence services) found documents for attacking US soil in Sadam palaces when they raided them back in 2003. The guy was a threat to America the region and to his own people. You call Bush a liar but you hesitate to call Sadam one.
As for invading Iraq for oil. How come gas prices aren’t below a dollar since the invasion of Iraq? Can somebody answer that for me because if we were getting our oil from Iraq wouldn’t it be cheaper. You know why you can’t tell me that, it’s because we aren’t buying oil from Iraq. Anyone who brings up this Idiotic point after this is ignorant of facts and void of finding out the truth for themselves. Syriana by the way is a made up tail with fictional characters that was directed by and Ideological, uneducated, actor who knows nothing about the region and the US policies over their. Saw the movie and the propaganda written all over it. Please don?t use a made up movie as proof that we are over their just for Oil.
As for helping the world not only do we give more than any other country in comparison to our GDP we also give more privately than most countries give total (privately and publicly). American people give more to this world than our government does. The people of this great nation donate billions upon billions of dollars and resources to charities all around the world who fight for great causes and help millions, maybe even billions, of people. America?s government and its people do more than any other country in the world to help solve problems of poverty, starvation, disease, and homelessness all around the world. In fact about half the UN budget is paid for by the US (go figure).
I do not work for the W regime, as someone put it! I am conservative that grew up in CA and I know how to express my viewpoints. It not an easy task to be a conservative in the most liberal state in the union. I also know what I am talking about and do my research constantly. I don?t agree with Bush on everything nor do I think the man to be an amazing president. But I don?t disagree with him on Iraq. I also didn?t disagree with Clinton when he called for the official US Policy to be for regime change in Iraq.
December 31st, 2005 at 7:00 pm
Happy New Year All! Much love and drukeness!! Be safe and use protection!!!
December 31st, 2005 at 7:44 pm
Ryan - “Syriana by the way is a made up tail with fictional characters that was directed by and Ideological, uneducated, actor who knows nothing about the region and the US policies over their.”
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The movie did a great job of showing some of the complexities of American politics in the Middle East. However, it seems that you choose not to address these complexities?hinstead preferring to accept your own form of propaganda. I never claimed that we were in Iraq for their oil or that the movie should be taken as anything more than a work of fiction. I am merely pointing out that we don?t invade other countries for purely unselfish reasons. Do you honestly believe that we went into Iraq just to free a country? Would you send your son to die for the freedom of the wolves you preach about? What about the rampant corruption of companies like Halliburton? Can you ignore this?
Wake up. Emerge from the upper crust bubble that you?ve surrounded yourself in. I?ve known very few California republicans living at the poverty line. I wonder why that is? It is in their best interest to protect the wealth that was no doubt earned from personal sweat and tears. This much is certain-Nothing protects wealth like the conservative agenda.
Putting aside the liberal vs conservative debate. Here is a great read for anyone who enjoys an intellectually stimulating article that tries to tackle the big questions.
http://www.oriononline.org/pages/om/03-1om/Duncan.html
December 31st, 2005 at 7:56 pm
Gas prices didn’t go down because of avarice. Here in NY, they hit about $4 shortly after Katrina hit New Orleans. They told us it was because of the refineries being damaged. I guess that’s why ExxonMobil reported that their profits for the third quarter doubled.
Happy New Years all =D
- Russell
December 31st, 2005 at 9:17 pm
Right, a president wouldn’t dare lie in a prime time speech to cover his own ass. Politicians tell the truth, especially when they’re in trouble, and I’m the Queen of England.
If you’re cherry-picking intelligence, you definitely know your analysis is flawed. It is absurd to ignore facts you don’t like and then claim there was nothing you could do about the fact that you didn’t have all the facts you needed.
Tony Blair knew that the invasion was illegal and that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction. The UK documents prove it. Ryan, I think you’re too nice and are willing to give people the benefit of the doubt, and that’s probably why you think that because Blair signed off on the war he must have believed Saddam had weapons. Well, that’s just the point. That’s why the first Downing Street memo was a scandal, and that’s why every other document released afterwards (and those soon to be released) are creating such an uproar. He knew possession of WMD couldn’t possibly be an excuse to invade, yet he went ahead and lied to the public. Blair went along with Bush, knowing full well that his line about Saddam launching a chemical/biological attack within 45 minutes of giving an order was a ridiculous lie. (Remember when they said, “Well, the weapons must be buried and hidden, then!” ? If they were, why did Blair use that 45 minute line in his speech? Did the Iraqis have some magical potions in addition to their WMDs that would have allowed them to unearth their weapons and launch them so quickly?)
Yes, Saddam Hussein did at some point in time possess weapons of mass destruction. He used sarin gas on the town of Halabja and against the Iranians during the Iran-Iraq war. He had anthrax, ricin, VX, etc. (some of which, by the way, came by the mail courtesy of the Reagan administration, but that’s a different discussion). After the Gulf War, he started getting rid of some of his WMDs. The rest that he had “expired,” if you will. It essentially became useless. He did keep lying to weapons inspectors, and there was that debacle in 1998. He kept producing Scud missiles, which violated the terms the UN made. As of the time of the invasion, however, Saddam Hussein did not have any weapons of mass destruction that were functional. That’s the problem with this WMD justification.
Saddam was controlled, contained. What do you think would have happened if he tried to invade Kuwait again? The entire world would have given Bush an enthusiastic okay to bomb the crap out of the entire country. He couldn’t do anything outside his own borders. Yes, he kept torturing and killing Iraqis, but other than that he was just a pipsqueak.
On to UN resolutions…I’d argue that vetoing resolutions in isolation (well, sometimes with the UK and/or Israel in support) is really just as bad as flatly violating them. One of those two options is simply written into the rules. Anyway, assuming Bush truly did have UN resolutions in mind when he planned the invasion, if we’re going to apply the same standards to every other nation that we applied to Iraq, then how many other nations would the United States have to invade? Is it possible for a nation to invade itself?
Look at Israel. Israel has been violating UN resolutions since 1948. What has the United States done about it? We can’t have rogue states disobeying the UN, now can we? What we can have is an ally breaking the same rules that rogue states do, which is why the United States has always continued to provide billions of dollars to Israel so it can maintain its military superiority in the region. So long as it’s in our favor…
You’re right about Saddam paying families of Palestinian suicide bombers. The problem is that Palestinian terrorists are not the same as al-Qaeda. There was no connection between Saddam and al-Qaeda. The only flimsy piece of evidence available is the visit you mentioned. Other than that, there’s nothing, plus the fact that a religious extremist like bin Laden hates secularist totalitarians like Saddam Hussein, and vice versa. Bin Laden is more likely to go to Sudan or Iran for help.
Oil for food - I’m not denying there were problems with that program, and the same goes for the sanctions that killed Iraqis so Saddam wouldn’t have to bother. I doubt Saddam paid Russia, Germany, and France for anything. They were all doing business with Saddam, and that was more than enough to make it in their respective interests to refrain from joining Bush in the invasion. The interesting thing is that German intelligence was helping the US with the invasion. Because of all their business dealings in Iraq, the Germans had valuable intelligence, including detailed information on Baghdad. While the Germans were helping the US with the invasion, we had Donald Rumsfeld at press conferences saying that Germany and France are part of a useless “Old Europe.” I’m sure they were thrilled to hear Rumsfeld’s sincere expression of thanks.
The MI-6 documents? Are those related to Saddam’s plan to assassinate George H. W. Bush? I find it hard to take those seriously. I’m sure sleeping more soundly now that I know Saddam Hussein isn’t going to send a dozen soldiers on a rickety boat across the Atlantic to land in New Jersey so they can come and get me. The reason I didn’t call Saddam a liar (and no, I don’t hesitate to do so) is because it’s a given. What’s the point in arguing that Saddam, Stalin, Hitler, and Lenin were all liars? Everyone knows that.
As for oil: “If Zarqawi and bin Laden gain control of Iraq, they would create a new training ground for future terrorist attacks. They’d seize oil fields to fund their ambitions. They could recruit more terrorists by claiming a historic victory over the United States and our coalition.” So, as I’ve said before, Saddam had control of the oil fields, so we invaded to remove him, which left the oil fields unguarded and vulnerable to terrorist control. Now we have to keep our troops there to protect those oil fields because of the predictable results of our own actions. Great.
Small point about foreign aid - the US is #21 in foreign aid as percent of GNI (I’m sorry, I said GDP earlier). In real dollars, the US is number one, and I’ll take your word about private donations. Regardless, the US gave $19 billion in foreign aid in 2004, but has spent $230 billion on the war in Iraq. I think that says something about priorities.
Anyway, Happy New Year, everyone, regardless of your politics. :)
- M
December 31st, 2005 at 9:33 pm
To Duncan and the Band - Where you are Tonight…
Hey Guy’s - hope you’ll be having a Ball. Happy New Year you to you all…
The Music and Lyrics speak for themselves. I hope that this New Year will bring Love, Happiness and Peace to us all. Mostly, I hope that we will all find our dreams realized in the New Year and the years which follow.
Hopefully, will see you later in the week. :)
I love you Guy’s. Thanks again so very much.
Michele :)
PS. Happy New Year to all here and wishes for yes, “A Better World For All To Live In.” :) 8:32pm
December 31st, 2005 at 11:25 pm
I’m sorry; I’m getting so tired of arguing (and reading all the arguments) about the war in Iraq. The only thing that keeps standing out to me is how everyone keeps saying how it’s so obvious that Bush lied about WMDs to get us into this war. Again I’m asking, do you honestly think that he had concrete information that there were no WMDs and misled everyone into voting for a war? What would be his motivation for that? Oh, I know because Sadam wanted to kill his father or “it’s for the oil”. A lot of good the oil did us, a couple of months ago I was paying $339 for a gallon of regular. And again I’ll ask, why did Clinton bomb Iraq?
The fact of the matter is that the liberal democrats (and that includes the majority of the main stream media) don?t like George Bush. It really doesn’t matter what he does, if he pulled all the troops out tomorrow they would be all over the TV saying what a big mistake that was and how much of an idiot he is. Fortunately the majority of the American people are smart enough to see the truth and wade through all the bullshit that’s broadcast on a daily basis in an attempt to get people to elect complete incompetents like John Kerry. Frankly, the American people are sick of it which is why Democrats continue to loose presidential elections and seats in the House and Senate… they see through the lies. The democrats have become a party of trying get elected by saying how bad the other guy is without saying anything substantive about what they believe or what they would do to change things. I’m not in love with George Bush but the alternative is so pathetic, I don’t even know what they believe in, other than “he lied to us” and “no blood for oil”… what a joke!
Happy new year everyone,
Andrew
December 31st, 2005 at 11:28 pm
Oops… I forgot a decimal point… $3.39 for a gallon of regular.
January 1st, 2006 at 12:35 am
Okay, a break from the politics for a moment… I want to wish all here the most prosperous and happy New Year in memory. Be safe, happy and healthy!!
Duncan hope you are having a ball in Boston tonight- the city rocks!!
Molly
January 1st, 2006 at 1:23 am
Has he already apoligized for that?
If not, he may have to one day. If he keeps on the Path he’s going, who knows…well his terms almost up.
Can you believe I missed the ball drop?
I couldn’t find the right vhannel fast enough….w/only 34 seconds.
That’s almost like missing the whole “Chris Issack” show and arriving when everyone was coming out. :) 2- Birthdays ago.
Be safe Guy’s. xo
January 1st, 2006 at 1:24 am
Sorry about the spelling errors. :)
January 1st, 2006 at 1:25 am
We are one hour fast here. It’s really 12:25 am. East Coast Time -Duncan is probably drinking wine right now. :)
m
January 1st, 2006 at 3:31 am
“Peace through strength!”
“What you choose to ignore is that there are people in this world that want nothing but to see us all dead and would delight in killing themselves in order to do so. I?m am proud and glad that President Bush has the resolve and the courage to confront the evil of our time.”
“don?t disguise accountability for stupidity and blind belief. Have the courage and strength of a lion and the heart of dove!”
“How come gas prices aren?t below a dollar since the invasion of Iraq? Can somebody answer that for me because if we were getting our oil from Iraq wouldn?t it be cheaper.”
” I am conservative that grew up in CA and I know how to express my viewpoints. It not an easy task to be a conservative in the most liberal state in the union. ”
oh but finally, “Much love and drukeness!! Be safe and use protection!!! ”
very very eloquent, my friend.
(rolling around in sarcasm and giggles)
happy new year!
January 1st, 2006 at 10:20 am
Ryan,
As to the speeches, they were some of the worst bunch of propaganda I could have ever thought an adminstration would try to sell us; either way those comments are a far cry from admitting mistake. No dates on withdrawal and really no “Plan for Victory”. Arent we past the point on all sides to believing there is any victory here. This seems to be one of the worst military blunders in recent history.
Just to pin you down:
1. If all information (pre war) was true and with all good intentions we invaded to protect ourselves. The realtiy was there were no WMD. Do you admit the war is a mistake?
2. Do you support pre-emptive war based on regime change? If so which country should we invade next?
3. The UN resolution said that UN forces would invade if rules were not adhered to…., the UN didnt invade, we and our coalition did. The UN did not support this war. Do you believe that if a country disagrees with the UN it should then wage war anyway?
4. If it is proven that the Bush administration manipulated, lied, and basically sold the public a war based on false charges, lives lost, billions squandered; Do you belive the powers that be should be held accountable on criminal charges? (All Nixon did was authorize a low level, bungled burglary).
5. Do you support pre-emptive war on countries that support terrorists?
Which one next?
By the way, we give less as compared to GDP, but the most in total dollars.
As to Tony Blair, allies will support each other when asked, it happens all the time. I dont see how this supports action for war, at best two people were wrong.
If you could please respond to these questions I can figure out if you are a misinformed Bush supporter or just a war monger in general.
Happy New Year to all
Carl
January 1st, 2006 at 3:13 pm
I can’t speak for Ryan but I’m just a war monger!!! A war monger who loves big business and loves to drive around in my Hummer… and no H2 mind you, I’m talking about that huge one that Schwarzenegger drives out in LA LA Land. I love tax credits for the wealthy and I hate all social programs. I want to allow big corporations to continue to destroy the environment and I have no regard for anyone except myself and my loved ones, especially not the downtrodden and weak… only the strong survive and if you don?t like it get out of the game.
Should we keep up the ridiculous stereotypes?
Andrew
January 1st, 2006 at 3:27 pm
Well, I’m a “liberal Democrat” just like most people in the media. All I am is just a mindless leftie who spews Michael Moore talking points. I don?t like George Bush. It really doesn?t matter what he does, if he pulled all the troops out tomorrow, if I could, I would be all over the TV saying what a big mistake that was and how much of an idiot he is. I don’t care who gets elected so long as he hates Bush at least half as much as I do. All I want to do is give terrorists hugs, chocolate chip cookies, and daisy chains, and I would enjoy nothing more than prancing through a field of sunflowers with Saddam Hussein on a gorgeous sunny day. No blood for oil! Arrrgghh!
I’m glad we’re on the same page, here, with these stereotypes…
- M
January 1st, 2006 at 3:55 pm
***snicker*** Andrew and Maria… :-)
Well the thing is, we can debate all the issues at hand to death…but truly at the end of the day, the LEFT will still have their liberal thoughts and the RIGHT will still have their conservative ideas…so, once again, let’s agree to disagree :-)
Where is our favorite TROUBLEMAKER? Hmmm, we have not heard from him in a while…EVERYONE, have a good New Year!
Leveriza
P.S.
Have to cut this short…am having lunch with my favorite gal pals…Ms. Coulter and Ms. Malkin, lol :P:D:D:D
January 1st, 2006 at 5:50 pm
Wow, let’s see, Levs, Malkin, and Coulter out to lunch at the country club, or the ski slope or something along those lines … the mind can only reel at what might be articulated with that particular threesome. If only I could be their sychophantic waiter,
gossiping about all the fascinating tabloid news and listening in on their conversation.
Happy New Years Everyone,
XO
DS
January 1st, 2006 at 6:56 pm
Hahaha we almost missed the ball drop, too! We got the TV on with 35 seconds left — how odd! I love Chris Isaak!!
January 1st, 2006 at 7:02 pm
There is not enough money in the world that would make me be Ann Coulter’s waiter. There is NO gun with enough bullets for that…. though, I must admit the joy and sense of general happiness at the oppertunity to spill a heaping plate of ANYTHING in her lap.
Resisting urge to use the “B-Word” everytime I hear her name… and the overwhelming urge to dry heave.
January 1st, 2006 at 7:09 pm
agaraffa,
Without all the sarcasm, maybe you might respond intelligently about my five questions posted for Ryan. I like to stick to topics. By the way, most stereotypes are based in fact, whether we like to admit it or not.
Have a safe and healthy New Year
Carl
January 1st, 2006 at 11:15 pm
Carl,
I’m just having fun :) Although as we can all see I can’t always control myself I try to avoid political debates. Nobody ever wins… I’m not going to see your point of view and you’re not going to see mine. My political views are constantly changing anyway. I know it may be hard to believe based on my comments in this thread but I marched on Washington DC in 1994 for gay rights… a cause I still believe in by the way. Of course I was 25 years old at the time and you know the old Winston Churchill quote… “If you’re under thirty and not a leberal you have no heart but if you’re over thirty and not a conservative you have no brain”.
Andrew
January 2nd, 2006 at 1:50 am
Channel WYBE now…Channel 98 now… East Coast!!!!
Should answer some questions 12:50am
January 2nd, 2006 at 2:14 am
http://www.wybe.org/index.html
I’m watching on Comcast. There is a great show on now. Maybe some of you Guy’s can catch it also now. It’s about understanding Muslim’s, Jew’s, Christian’s, all together as People. The January schedule is not up yet, but it’s on now. :)
How we can all understand eachother better.
January 2nd, 2006 at 2:15 am
Here is the Link you Need:
http://www.wybe.org/aboutus/coverage.html
January 2nd, 2006 at 11:54 am
It was a show entitled, “Three Faiths, One God.” Maybe it will be reshown, or available in a local Library someday. I noticed that this channel does not air it’s shows to NYC or up North, that it’s just the region around Philly. Sorry. It was a really good show though. They did however say it could be ordered from the station.
Have a nice day. :)
January 2nd, 2006 at 2:28 pm
Happy New Year! Your favorite troublemaker is back from vacation to rattle some bones. Round 1
1. If all information (pre war) was true and with all good intentions we invaded to protect ourselves. The reality was there were no WMD. Do you admit the war is a mistake?
The war wasn?t mistake! End of story. The guy had weapons of mass destruction Chomsky admits that. He thinks the man got rid of them, which is a joke, and the rest just expired. You think he didn?t make more? He made them once he probably made them again. There was no way of knowing that he didn?t have WMD?s until someone invaded his country. I?ll touch more on this subject later.
2. Do you support pre-emptive war based on regime change? If so which country should we invade next?
I do not support pre-emptive war solely based on regime change but a number of issue?s. It is also dumb to think you can invade every country in the world that just foolish. And we didn?t just invade Iraq for regime change, I only used the example of our policy that Clinton created to show that everyone thought Sadam was a threat.
3. The UN resolution said that UN forces would invade if rules were not adhered to., the UN didn?t invade, we and our coalition did. The UN did not support this war. Do you believe that if a country disagrees with the UN it should then wage war anyway?
I am actually glad you asked this question. Resolution 1440 was passes unanimously and was completely not adhered to by Sadam. He again thought it to be a joke just like the 12 previous ones he choose to also ignore before that. The only reason and I mean the only reason why the UN didn?t sign on to war was because France, Germany, and Russia vetoed the formation of a UN coalition. And the reason those three countries vetoed that was because they all were selling him weapons and buying oil from the Sadam. It wasn?t the best economic decision to lose one of their best customers in the middle east!
4. If it is proven that the Bush administration manipulated, lied, and basically sold the public a war based on false charges, lives lost, billions squandered; Do you believe the powers that be should be held accountable on criminal charges? (All Nixon did was authorize a low level, bungled burglary).
Sure with that logic these are the people who would also be arrested with the bush administration; John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Dick Durbin, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Dick Gephardt, and pretty much the rest of the democratic senators who authorized the president to invade Iraq. I would also include the CIA, NSA, and the rest of the intelligence communities all over the world with crimes. All these people said Sadam had weapons of mass destruction I don?t hear you calling them liars and saying they made up intelligence. And do you really think the man you call a moron, idiot, etc could lie to all those people and convince all those people with that lie, who you think are obviously smarter than Bush, to take action in Iraq?
5. Do you support pre-emptive war on countries that support terrorists?
Which one next?
There is a laundry list of countries I would invade. But again its foolish to think that just because there is someone worse that that person that I shouldn?t bother eliminating that person first or at all. Sadam was a threat to the world and the region no matter how you try to spin it. We invaded Afghanistan for the same reason I don?t hear anyone complaining about that war. Should we not have invaded Afghanistan? It wasn?t a threat to the world, it just happened to be the place Osama was hiding. But of course you invade because terrorism can affect the whole world no matter where it?s hiding it?s ugly head. You try diplomatically to get to disarm or hand over terrorists (just like bush did before he invaded Iraq) and if that doesn?t work then you invade.
January 2nd, 2006 at 4:03 pm
Round 2
Since hindsight is 20, 20 and some of you seem to either forget what happened or ignore what happened I will explain what happened. Bear with me here for a bit and see if you can?t follow my logic.
Let?s take a step back for a moment and put yourself in Bush?s shoes for a second. It?s 2002 and you have the 9/11 commission running up and down Washington D.C. trying to figure out why 9/11 happened and if I could have been prevented (on a side note the commission report was a good book and I suggest anyone who is even remotely interested in politics should read it). You have one of the former CIA directors, Richard Clarke, testifying that he told Bush to invade Afghanistan before 9/11 and that if Bush would had listened to his advice that 9/11 would have been avoided. All of the sudden all the democrats were screaming Why didn?t you invade Afghanistan, Why didn?t you listen to the CIA, and many other comments like that. Mind you again this was happening before Iraq was even a discussion. Bush once again, like always, is a horrible president and didn?t do enough to protect our country, so the democrats and most of the left say.
So he goes through his list of enemies that want to attack the United States and the biggest non-nuclear threat was Iraq. (Yes Iraq wasn?t the worst country of all the countries in the world but the ones that were worse have nuclear bombs. You can?t invade a country with nuclear weapons because millions of people will die and environmental damage is a given.) So Bush talks to his CIA director George Tennet (who was appointed by Clinton) about Iraq and was told the WMD?s was a slam-dunk and they have evidence that Sadam was actively seeking nuclear capabilities via the black market or build one himself. Bush then talks to other intelligence agencies all over the world and was told the same thing about Sadam. We strategically know the area because we have fought their before, Sadam threatened to kill a former president (who happens to be his father), constantly threatens to attack the US, supports terrorism throughout the middle east, he has used WMD?s before and threatens constantly that he will use them again, and he completely disregards the UN and its policies. In addition he also starves, rapes, tortures, and kills his own people on a daily basis. This is one scary dude when you start to add things up.
Bush goes to the UN and gets them to unanimously pass resolution 1440 giving one last chance for Sadam to show us evidence that he has no WMD?s or to destroy them. Sadam basically said fuck you to the UN and didn?t comply. Meanwhile while all this is going on Bush is showing his intelligence to the Senators in the Senate and gets them to vote 98-2 in favor for invading Iraq if the UN doesn?t help. So the UN is called to action and France, Russia, and Germany veto a coalition.
So now Bush has to make a decision whether to invade or not. And it is no secret that this was a tough decision for him to make. It came down to this question; what are the consequences of doing nothing? The answer to that, and still probably would be the same had we not gone in, is that one day down the line if Sadam got a hold of a nuclear weapon he would use it. If he wasn?t afraid of the consequences of using saran gas on another country imagine what a threat he would be if he had a nuclear weapon. And again all the evidence at the time from all over the world indicated he was actively seeking one. He wasn?t controlled by the UN. He was waiting to get bigger and better weapons before he made his next move. He was free to do and build whatever he wanted. He didn?t have weapon inspectors for 8 years and when they were let back in 2002 he gave them the run around. So he makes the decision to go to war. He wasn?t going to be accused again of not acting on taking someone out before they can do major harm to our country.
I can bring up the other reasons why he choose to go to war and I have already, but I?m just sticking with the whole WMD debacle because it was the primary reason for war and you accuse him of misleading or making up intelligence to invade a country, which is just absolutely ludicrous. Now I will say this about his WMD?s and where they might be. Sadam had six full months prior to invasion to hid them or move them out of the country.
And it might very well be that he didn?t have any, which is hard to imagine considering the whole entire world (including Sadam?s Generals and other senior military members) thought he possessed WMD?s. But again if turns out that their really weren?t any the only way we and the world could have ever known is if someone invaded Iraq!
January 2nd, 2006 at 5:07 pm
Ryan,
The war in Iraq was because Sadaam supposedly had the weapons, not that he was going to have them, trying to get them, had them in the past etc. He was billed as an immediate threat.
The war wasnt sold to us as a mission to see if he has weapons, the data produced to the Senate showed he had weapons, he didn’t have them, none were found. The premise for invasion was a mistake, at best. If the information shown to the Senate was falsified or manipulated then, it is indeed criminal, the Senate and public would have been lied to. Again either a mistake or criminal action. Your choice.
Sadaam was a horrible person, was responsible for numerous atrocities, but again this war was supposedly not about regime change but once the weapons werent found the only thing to rally around was freeing the Iraqi’s; it appears they dont want us there. That whole freeing Iraq thing has turned out miserably so far. Again appears to be a huge mistake.
I did support the war in Afghanistan, the Taliban could have turned over Osama to prevent invasion, they choose to support him. This was in direct retaliation to 9/11 and bringing Osama to justice. Thats where all this should have ended. We had broad support for the actions in Afghanistan.
Our resources should be spent tracking down Osama, didnt the President vow to not stop until he was caught….Oh well lets invade Iraq.
Your whole second post….. the reason the President went to war in Iraq was because he felt pressured from his detractors that he didnt invade Afghanistan sooner….again not what was told to the people as a reason for invasion. If thats why we went, that is a hidden personal agenda.
As to Sadaam hiding the weapons before we got there…..I dont think even this administration wouldnt try to sell that one to us, I think your on your own on that one.
As to your laundry list of countries to invade….that is a truly scary comment and hopefully you will never be in any position to carry out your plan for world domination. However, it appears this administration has a laundry list also; I wonder if there the same, makes me wonder.
GO USA
Carl
January 2nd, 2006 at 9:10 pm
The biggest weapon of mass destruction is George W. Bush.
Hussein did NOT have WMD’s…. Bush’s war was never about “could he have them in the future,” this war was about “he has them, NOW! And if you DON’T let me attack, he’s gonna kill us all! Red Alert! Red Alert!”
North Korea HAS WMD’s,
Guess what, the good ol’ USA HAS WMD’s. You think Sadaam seriously could have access to anything we didnt already have access to?
We are bullying people into believing that we are the great conquerors of evil, when in all actuality, we are the bully kid on the block who doesnt want anyone else to have better toys than he does.
Do you seriously believe that when Iraq becomes “free and happy” there won’t be a flood of Christians (strong-arm and otherwise) on their way over there to convert the heathens? Of course there will be.
I worry for anyone who blindly follows ANYONE just because he is a Texan with a twang, a cowboy hat and “love for Jesus.”
Truly frightening
January 2nd, 2006 at 10:30 pm
Levs, that sounds like quite a lunch! By the way, I hear Coulter eats spiders and live baby seals. Is that true? ;)
Ryan, I don’t defend the Democrats who voted for the war resolution at all. The difference is that Bush is Commander in Chief, and Congress does not have the power to dispatch troops. He was ultimately the one who made the decision to move in, so he is the one who must be held responsible for the consequences of his decision, especially if he and his administration lied about it. The only way I would blame Congress is if the power to delcare war were still Congress’s in practice.
“you accuse him of misleading or making up intelligence to invade a country, which is just absolutely ludicrous.”
Right, because history has taught us that the President of the United States would never lie to get us into a war. The Gulf of Tonkin incident really happened! And so did the Roswell UFO landing.
Back to the containment issue - Colin Powell surely seemed to think that it was working before Bush decided to invade.
The Iraqi regime militarily remains fairly weak. It doesn’t have the capacity it had 10 or 12 years ago. It has been contained. And even though we have no doubt in our mind that the Iraqi regime is pursuing programs to develop weapons of mass destruction — chemical, biological and nuclear — I think the best intelligence estimates suggest that they have not been terribly successful. There’s no question that they have some stockpiles of some of these sorts of weapons still under their control, but they have not been able to break out, they have not been able to come out with the capacity to deliver these kinds of systems or to actually have these kinds of systems that is much beyond where they were 10 years ago. So containment, using this arms control sanctions regime, I think has been reasonably successful. We have not been able to get the inspectors back in, though, to verify that, and we have not been able to get the inspectors in to pull up anything that might be left there.
And again:
Asked about the sanctions placed on Iraq, which were then under review at the Security Council, Powell said the measures were working. In fact, he added, “(Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors.” (source, Feb 2001)
As for the issue of WMD, I’ll have to direct you once again to the Downing Street Memo and the subsequent documents, which you keep ignoring.
The original document is dated 23 July 2002, back when Bush was “pursuing diplomatic resolutions” to the problem (NB: C is Sir Richard Dearlove, head of MI6):
C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime’s record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action. […] It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran. We should work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam to allow back in the UN weapons inspectors. This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force. The Attorney-General said that the desire for regime change was not a legal base for military action. There were three possible legal bases: self-defence, humanitarian intervention, or UNSC authorisation. The first and second could not be the base in this case. Relying on UNSCR 1205 of three years ago would be difficult. The situation might of course change. [emphases mine]
There’s more in that memo, and there are several others that were leaked.
This excerpt is from a memo from Foreign Secretary Jack Straw to Tony Blair (25 March 2002):
If 11 September had not happened, it is doubtful that the US would now be considering military action against Iraq. In addition, there has been no credible evidence to link Iraq with UBL and Al Qaida. Objectively, the threat from Iraq has not worsened as a result of 11 September. What has however changed is the tolerance of the international community (especially that of the US), the world having witnesses on September 11 just what determined evil people can these days perpetuate.
From the Office of Jack Straw to Tony Blair (8 March 2002):
A legal justification for invasion would be needed. Subject to Law Officers advice, non[e] currently exists. This makes moving quickly to invade legally very difficult. We should therefore consider a staged approach, establishing international support, building up pressure on Saddam and developing military plans.
I apologize for quoting so much, but you weren’t acknowledging any of these documents. I’ll leave it to you to bother to read the rest. I’ve said all I’m going to say about WMD. If actual government documents don’t convince you of the intelligence cherry-picking, nothing short of a confession from Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld will.
- M
January 3rd, 2006 at 10:46 am
Wow, let me start by saying, I am ashamed that I did not know this blog was out here. I suppose it has been quite sometime since I have visited the site…bad me.
Moving on, I am continually disappointed in how humans have manipulated religion, and from what I can see it happens in all faiths. A friend of mine who is a devout Christian says, “I believe in God, not religion.” Any more, I believe that is the best stance to take.
In the end, the fact that the song (before the actual release of the CD) has created this much buzz is reassuring that we are still alive. Misguided as our views and opinions may be, at least we appear to be passionate about them.
For fans of political music, you may want to check out stevieharris.com. He is a friend of mine from California and has been examining the relationship of government and community for as long as I have known him.
Duncan, I still cherish meeting you in St. Louis at the River Lounge and then the instore. You continue to inspire me…Eric
January 3rd, 2006 at 3:59 pm
I like the fact you brought up Colin Powell Chomsky. Remeber the UN address that Colin Powell gave in where he stragtically laid out why Sadam wasn’t being contained and how much of a threat he truly was. So your telling me that we should have waited for Sadam to use chemical or biological weapons before we should have invaded. Or that we should depend on the UN and the ignored resolutions to protect america. And I bet you had bush not goten congressional approval to invade that he wouldn’t so the senate is just as much to blame as the president. And Bush didn’t create the intelligence we used the CIA did which is why the president is revamping the whole system so that doesn’t happen again. I have read the downing street memo’s and many other memos that claim the same thing. But when the whole world, not just the united states, thought that Sadam had WMD’s leads me to believe Bush didn’t lie. Besides for every one memo you have that claims they knew Sadam didn’t have weapons I can show you tens of thousands of documents that say he does. It’s really a lopsided victory in my favor on that point. I don’t think Bush is an angel and doesn’t lie. I don’t think he lied about Sadam nor do I think Clinton lied about Sadam when he said he thought they had WMD’s. And you again are a fool if you don’t think Osama is being hunted 24 hours a day 365 days a year since 9/11. When is the last time your heard from or seen a video from Osama. Wow it has been months! Maybe it’s because his still hidding and doesn’t have the same command he used to have over his followers. And yes their is a list of terrorist nations that I would love to elimanate of the face of this planet. North Korea would be one of them but because they have nukes you can’t invade. Which is antoher reason why we choose Sadam first is because we knew he didn’t have nuclear capabilities yet but if we waited for that to happen millions of people would have died.
Your right the terrorists in Iraq don’t want us their because we are winning. Why do you think million of Iraqis voted three times. It wasn’t because they hated america, it was because they wanted to send a message to the terrorists that they want a democracy. If they really wanted to make ameria look bad they wouldn’t have voted. They also wouldn’t have voted to referend their constitution.
Look I’m going to agree to disagree with all of you. It obviously apparent that we won’t see eye to eye on this situation. You think it was a mistake, I don’t. You think Bush is a bad president, I don’t. What i do know that all of you who are against this war are going to be on the wrong side of history. In ten years down the line, just like reagan was, history is going to look as Bush as a hero and be credited with freeing millions of people all around the world. And when that day comes I am sure you will all be having the same discussion again!!
January 3rd, 2006 at 5:25 pm
has anyone seen my purple kitty-kat? i think i lost him……….if u see him let me know
January 4th, 2006 at 11:50 am
Nope, haven’t seen your cat…but Bush is probably to blame for that as well. :D
January 6th, 2006 at 12:30 pm
hey, really looking forward to the album duncan, without an album released in fours years its made me look else where for musical satisfaction, yet you have somehow remained the bees-knees for me as far as songwriting is concerned -bring on the limousine! I’d just like to take this chance to give my view on the whole ‘good christian’ ‘bad christian’ thing. Basically, anytime anyone claims that, they themselves are a ‘good’ anything, people will usually imediately take them as being rather arrogant and therefore, they’ll take an instant disliking to that person. i don’t think the person who claimed that ‘bad christian’ was an oxymoron meant that all christians are perfect human beings- i definitely do think that most of the time when people get offended by people saying stuff like this, is that the person is just misinterpretted- this isn’t always the case ofcourse.
I’m a born again christian (don’t panic) but that doesn’t make me a ‘good person’ or even a ‘good christian’ . I really don’t have it together. i mess up on my beliefs everyday. i offend people out of lack of patience and bad attitudes, i’m lazy, i’m weak, i judge people and the more i learn about who jesus is and how he lived, the more i realise how utterly flawed i am. But thats the thing!- real christianity is not about having it all together, its pretty much the opposite really- accepting you are not a good person and therefore acknowledging your need for a capable saviour. Thats it basically. Jesus said the only way to accept him is simply, just like a child would - so no amount of theoligical deabting is really gonna help anyone out on this i don’t think. Just thought i’d give my views. sorry if this has come across sounding like a preach-thats not been my intention. i’m not trying to slam my beliefs down anyones throat- Jesus himself never ever did that, he respected peoples rights to choose to follow him if they wanted to, i just want to be more like Jesus and less like me.
also- sorry that this has had little to do with duncan or his music- thanks duncan and you duncan fans for being so respectful and tolerant of other peoples beliefs!
January 6th, 2006 at 2:01 pm
hey everyone.
just want to warn you in advance that this is all about what i believe to be true about God, Jesus, heaven, hell etc and it will most likely offend the vast majority. plus, its probably not blog material and I acknowledge most people wont find it appropriate. Just really think laura might be intrested in hearing this. And also, letting people know what i’ve come to believe as truth so that they can accept it or reject it, is a big issue to me.
this is mainly in response to one of laura’s (topaz’s) blogs. firstly can i empathise with you in that i don’t see, realistically how a young person or teenager could be ‘feeling’ the catholic church. It is, from my experience, anything but cool or trendy. I’m not getting at catholics, i’m just saying i understand why a young person wouldn’t be rivetted by going to catholic mass. i went to a catholic school, though i’m not a catholic, and i don’t think any of my friends were ‘feeling’ it either. Anyway, not really my point.
My point is this. I can see why you would be offended by your friend saying you were going to Hell because you were ‘living in sin’ with your boyfriend-who would that fail to offend? but i also think you’ll probably be offended by my view -i dare you to read it tho, trust me i’m not writing for the sake of offending anyone.
I personaly do believe there is Heaven and there is Hell, and everyone will go to one or the other when they die. In basic terms, heaven is eternity with God, Hell is eternity without God. Maybe that doesn’t seem like a big deal to anyone.
please get straight the fact that the God who made you loves you more than you could ever know, but also get straight the fact that everyone of us on this planet has willfully (whether they realise or not) stuck two fingers up at God and said ‘i don’t want to do things your way, my way’s better and i’m just gonna live for me.’ Thats a painful thing to except, and it sounds stupid-thats why so many people don’t get any further into true christianity than this point.
i also acknowledge that i am actually putting my views across as being truth, and alot of people are gonna be very upset and angry with me for doing that. But as a follower of Jesus Christ its my main aim to lead people to the truth- i know its gonna offend alot of you- but they crucified Jesus for saying this stuff and he only ever came to help people. (read john 3:17 if you want) Believe me that i’m not being arrogant, I’m just a tramp desperate to tell the other tramps that i’ve found a factory thats giving away free bread.
Just want to say that even though Laura, I’m sure you are fairly kind and honest, as you put it, and that you love animals and children, that doesn’t mean you don’t rightfully deserve to be seperated from God, and even if you weren’t sleeping with your boyfriend, that wouldn’t qualify you as deserving to have a realtionship with God, the same goes for all of us.
The fact is none of us can say we haven’t rejected God’s way of living, regardless of how good we think we are, so thats why the only way to get right with God again and start enjoying the most mind-blowlingly amazing thing a person can ever experience- a real relationship with the living God-is to be willing to except the reality that we are selifsh, foolish rebels of a good God and that our only chance of being reconciled to him is through trusting that Jesus (Gods perfect son), in his unfathomable compassion and love for us, took the punishment for our rebellion against him.
now when a person chooses to trust jesus in this way, an amazing thing happens! (ta da!)-they don’t actually want to live for themselves anymore cause their eyes have been opened to the fact that living Gods way is actually far better and comes with real peace, joy, and hope- the kind you wont find anywhere else. I’m not just saying all this- i wouldn’t speak so passionately and risk offending so many people if i hadn’t experienced this myself. (ps. i’m not a crack pot) :D
so there it is. I’m certain saying stuff like this, especially in this day and age, is extreeemly risky business and has aggravated anyone who’s read it and doesn’t want to believe it. But i guess that if whoever has read this believes it to be a whole load of crap, then there’s no harm done is there- unless ofcourse you’re concerned that this may have actually convinced some ‘poor gulable souls’ to live for jesus instead of themselves….but then, you can ask them if they regret it.
ben(probably believed to be a crack-pot)
January 7th, 2006 at 7:01 pm
Oh, some good news:
http://www.comcast.net/news/index.jsp?cat=GENERAL&fn=/2006/01/07/299107.html
January 8th, 2006 at 2:03 pm
Hey.
I’m also a Christian and I’m not offended either. I feel that people make mistakes, whatever their belief system. It’s when people use their beliefs as some sort of status thing or a way of hiding their flaws that I don’t agree with. I’m quite secure and fully aware of my own short comings, so I’m not easily offended.
Anyway,
Looking forward to White Limo!!!!
Adi
January 8th, 2006 at 2:07 pm
PS:
On the teachings of Jesus, he didn’t come to point out peoples inadequacies. His message was love and forgiveness.
Cool, that’s all.
Peace.
April 4th, 2006 at 10:37 am
Any Surprise?
http://www.comcast.net/news/index.jsp?cat=GENERAL&fn=/2006/04/04/360493.html
July 28th, 2006 at 12:04 am
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